I just want to point out that there is fallacy to think that Instruction given at Sinai didn't exists before Moses and trying to use covenants as a way to void His instructions when it can be proven in scripture many of them (more than just the First 10 Torah Instructions) have been there since Adam.
Genesis 7:2
2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.
Genesis 8
20 Then Noah built an altar to
Adonai and he took of every clean domestic animal and of every clean flying creature and he offered burnt offerings on the altar. 21 When
Adonai smelled the soothing aroma,
Adonai said in His heart, “I will never again curse the ground on account of man, even though the inclination of the heart of humankind is evil from youth. Nor will I ever again smite all living creatures, as I have done.
Noah knew what was clean and unclean before God gave him the permission to eat meat. Does any one honestly believe God said hey bring seven pairs of these clean animals and one pair of theses unclean animals, but eat what you want. I'm arbitrarily making a distinction between animals.
Genesis 26:5
Abraham listened to My voice and kept My charge, My
mitzvot, My decrees, and My instructions.” 6 So Isaac stayed in Gerar.
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Something to think about the Renewed Covenant, Somebody else's work I forget who but checked it out I found no fault in the logic of course if your set against submitting to the instructions of Torah you can probably hobble something together, but I aint mad at cha .
Abraham ‘kept my requirements [
mismarti ], my commands [
miswotay ], my decrees [
huqqotay ] and my laws [
wetorotay ]’ (v. 5).
“It is remarkable that this is precisely the way in which obedience to the Sinai Covenant is expressed in Deuteronomy 11:1: ‘Love the Lord your God and keep his requirements [
mismarto ], his decrees [
huqqotayw ], his laws [
mispatayw ] and his commands [
miswotayw ]’
“Thus
Abraham is an example of one who shows the law written on his heart (Jeremiah 31:33). He is the writer’s
ultimate example of true obedience to the law, the one about whom the Lord could say, ‘Abraham obeyed me’ (v. 5). Thus, by showing Abraham to be an example of ‘keeping the law,’ the writer has shown the nature of
the relationship between the law and faith. Abraham, a man who lived in faith, could be described as one who kept the law”
Thus, Abraham knew a lot more about God’s requirements for and definitions of
righteous behavior than most religious teachers give him credit for today. It also means that the laws defining righteous attitudes and behavior that were given to Israel were known and practiced by servants of God long before the Sinai Covenant was ever established.
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I think you’ve got Romans 7:4 backwards. “Ye are become dead to the law by the body of Christ”. He’s not the only one who died. 6. That being dead wherein we were held . . . 9. When the commandment came, sin revived and I died. 11. . . .and by it(the commandment), (sin) slew me.
Being confined by the
Law of Sin and Death,
Obligation,
Our sinful natures rebellion against God. These aren't the themes of the Romans 7?
You skipped 7 and 8 and stopped at 9, why? Context can be found in the text around what you wrote. Lets look at the whole Chapter.
Romans 7:1
1Or do you not know, brothers and sisters (for I speak to those who know law), that the law is master over a person as long as he lives? 2 For the married woman is bound by law to her husband while he lives; but if the husband dies, she is released from the law concerning the husband. 3 So then, if she is joined to another man while her husband is living, she will be called an adulteress. But if her husband dies, she is free from the law—so she is not an adulteress, though she is joined to another man.
4 Therefore, my brothers and sisters, you also were made dead to the
Torah through the body of Messiah, so that you might be joined to another—the One who was raised from the dead—in order that we might bear fruit for God. 5 For when we were in the flesh, the sinful passions that came through the
Torah were working in our body parts to bear fruit for death. 6 But now we have been released from the law, having died to what confined us, so that we serve in the new way of the
Ruach and not in the old way of the letter.
7 What shall we say then? Is the Torah sin? May it never be! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the Torah. For I would not have known about coveting if the Torah had not said, “You shall not covet.”
8 But sin, taking an opportunity, worked in me through the commandment all kinds of coveting. For apart from the Torah, sin is dead.
9 Once I was alive apart from the
Torah; but when the commandment came, sin came to life 10 and I died. The commandment meant for life was found to cause death. 11 Sin, taking an opportunity through the commandment, deceived me and through it killed me. 12
So then, the Torah is holy, and the commandment is holy and righteous and good.
13
Therefore did that which is good become death to me? May it never be! Rather
it was sin working death in me—
through that which is good—so that
sin might be shown to be sin, and that through the commandment sin might become utterly sinful. 14
For we know that the Torah is spiritual; but I am of the flesh, sold to sin. 15 For I do not understand what I am doing—for what I do not want, this I practice; but what I hate, this I do. 16 But if I do what I do not want to do, then I agree with the
Torah—that it is good.
17 So now it is no longer I doing it, but sin dwelling in me. 18 For I know that nothing good dwells in me—that is, in my flesh. For to will is present in me, but to do the good is not.
19 For the good that I want, I do not do; but the evil that I do not want, this I practice. 20 But if I do what I do not want, it is no longer I doing it, but sin that dwells in me.
21 So I find the principle—that evil is present in me, the one who wants to do good. 22
For I delight in the Torah of God with respect to the inner man, 23 but I see a different law in my body parts, battling against the law of my mind and bringing me into bondage under the law of sin which is in my body parts. 24 Miserable man that I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death? 25 Thanks be to God—it is through Messiah
Yeshua our Lord!
So then, with my mind I myself serve the Torah of God;
but with my flesh, I serve the law of sin.
Context is all I have to say. I don't see the context as speaking against Torah but against b
eing confined by the Law of Sin and Death
, Obligation
, and Our sinful natures rebellion against God
.
Next statement, My thoughts take 'em or leave 'em. Not directed at anyone or meant to attack someone's theology just so yall understand my thought process a little better. I call no offenseies so no one can be offended.
Trying to use Gods instructions to define Covenants is not practical thing because as pointed out earlier many can be proven to exist through all covenants after Adam except the "new" covenant because some want to interpret Yeshua saying obey my commandments as only meaning the first 10. To me, I see this as someone cherry picking what they are willing to submit to. Just like a wife who uses I don't feel convicted to do that so sorry husband I'm not going to submit because it goes against my conviction to not do anything I don't feel convicted to do, but really I'm a good submissive wife. There is no Gospel command to obey the 10 commandments and certainly not a thou shall disregard the rest of Torah. Yeshua said if you love me obey my commandments. If someone's take that its only the commandments he gave as the son, then out goes the ten because he didn't say to keep them. Any reference to them was like the rest of Torah just so we can Identify what sin is. This line of thinking is disturbing to me.
It’s actually extremely restrictive. It’s gotta be pretty rare!
Cant eat it if its alive and cant eat it if its not moving.
