...and all the people said, "Long live the King! Hail the King of the Jews! Yahusha is Messiah! Yahusha is King!" End of problem.
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Is the USA Babylon the Great? Should Christians leave?
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Amen to that enlargeourtents.
Some of the verses that come to mind are Elijah when he called the Israelites out and asked "How long halt ye between two opinions? if YHWH be god then follow Him, but if Baal, then follow him"
Or Joshua when he said "Choose you this day whom ye will serve, but as for me and my house, we will serve YHWH" Or Jesus when he said "Ye cannot serve God and mammon" You cannot serve YHWH with your whole being, and Caesar too.
Isaiah 33:22 says "YHWH is our judge, YHWH is our lawgiver, YHWH is our king; he will save us."
I believe many scriptures are taken out of context or misunderstood by churchgoers, and it is happily encouraged by government, because it makes His people subject to the false gods man sets up.
God reserved lawmaking to Himself. Even Israelite kings were not authorized to make law, only minister His law turning not to the right or the left.
The messenger of God found Gideon hiding while threshing his grain, to avoid having the invaders take his substance. He certainly wasn't a "cheerful giver" to those who decided they were entitled to what he had. Some of us are just more opposed to having our substance used by an evil system. Someone's worldview tends to be colored by their life experience, and most of us were born into this modern mess and know nothing else. People sell their children into this beast system, to get a tax write off, without really giving it a second thought. Mystery Babylon is more of a mystery to those that are in the system, then to those who have come out, and are looking at it from the outside. The word holy means to be separate, or set apart. He said to "Come out of her my people" of Mystery Babylon, yet most people are dragged into it deeper and deeper through debt and adhesion contracts.
"History records that the money changers have used every form of abuse, intrigue, deceit, and violent means possible to maintain their control over governments by controlling money and it's issuance"
James Madison
"Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes it's laws" Mayer Amschel Bauer Rothschild
These are just two short quotes, there are many more powerful quotes that illustrate the bankers roll in the control of governments. I heard that there are only three nations left that are not under the control of these international bankers. If this is true, we don't have long to wait.
So instead of trying to find another country to move to, I would just suggest people do as God said and come out of her. Separate from that system as much as possible, even if it is only the heart and mind that change.
I don't look for the destruction of my country, but I do look forward to the destruction of the system that runs my country.
Some of the verses that come to mind are Elijah when he called the Israelites out and asked "How long halt ye between two opinions? if YHWH be god then follow Him, but if Baal, then follow him"
Or Joshua when he said "Choose you this day whom ye will serve, but as for me and my house, we will serve YHWH" Or Jesus when he said "Ye cannot serve God and mammon" You cannot serve YHWH with your whole being, and Caesar too.
Isaiah 33:22 says "YHWH is our judge, YHWH is our lawgiver, YHWH is our king; he will save us."
I believe many scriptures are taken out of context or misunderstood by churchgoers, and it is happily encouraged by government, because it makes His people subject to the false gods man sets up.
God reserved lawmaking to Himself. Even Israelite kings were not authorized to make law, only minister His law turning not to the right or the left.
The messenger of God found Gideon hiding while threshing his grain, to avoid having the invaders take his substance. He certainly wasn't a "cheerful giver" to those who decided they were entitled to what he had. Some of us are just more opposed to having our substance used by an evil system. Someone's worldview tends to be colored by their life experience, and most of us were born into this modern mess and know nothing else. People sell their children into this beast system, to get a tax write off, without really giving it a second thought. Mystery Babylon is more of a mystery to those that are in the system, then to those who have come out, and are looking at it from the outside. The word holy means to be separate, or set apart. He said to "Come out of her my people" of Mystery Babylon, yet most people are dragged into it deeper and deeper through debt and adhesion contracts.
"History records that the money changers have used every form of abuse, intrigue, deceit, and violent means possible to maintain their control over governments by controlling money and it's issuance"
James Madison
"Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes it's laws" Mayer Amschel Bauer Rothschild
These are just two short quotes, there are many more powerful quotes that illustrate the bankers roll in the control of governments. I heard that there are only three nations left that are not under the control of these international bankers. If this is true, we don't have long to wait.
So instead of trying to find another country to move to, I would just suggest people do as God said and come out of her. Separate from that system as much as possible, even if it is only the heart and mind that change.
I don't look for the destruction of my country, but I do look forward to the destruction of the system that runs my country.
AmericanIsraelite said:
I'm with it. Good word, here.
golden2seal
New Member
Babylon, is not a "where is it", but a "What is it". So, what is Babylon, as spoken of in the Scriptures? It is a City, but why was it called Babylon? I'm not going to take time to answer that in detail, because you Bible Scholars should already know that.The Babylon of today is the Commercial System in which you live, it's no longer just the City. A secret concerning this system is given to you when the fish had the coin in it's mouth, where was the fish? What does the coin represent? Who's picture was on the coin? Who is Caesar? The Scriptures plainly tell you the answers to these Questions, but if you study the Scriptures for just the Religious thing you can get out of it, you'll never know the answers to these questions. The Messiah spoke in Parables for a purpose, so a lot of people would hear, but few would understand. Times have changed very little since his day, except modernization.
The Scriptures is given to man as a manual, for his maintenance and repair, and to show man what happens when he fails to do it right.
The word "Law" appears many times in the Scriptures, but most people want to ignore that part. Because of your ignorance of the "Law" you pose the two Questions, "Is the U.S.A. Babylon the Great"?
Caesar was the ruler of the greatest "Commercial" empire on earth at that time. Today the U.S.A still operates under the same "Law" as Rome did at that time, nothing has changed. Most of the world today operates under the Roman Civil Law. Every Office in this country is owned and operated by the UNITED NATIONS, as a for profit Corporation, so kiss your constitutional rights goodby. All government, under this System is operated by Government Service Agencies, policy, customs, and procedures, for a profit and a gain for that system, not you. Most of the countries in the world operate the same way today, it's Satan's world.
The whole world is governed by the "Law of Commerce" Admiralty, the law of the sea, remember the coin in the fish's mouth. All Courts in this country, are Article I Legislative Courts, in Admiralty, in a Military Tribunal, see the flag behind the judge, "Military Reg. 840-10," and cannot even hear the living man speak. Caesar's jurisdiction was in the sea, but the Messiah brought the jurisdiction on the land, now the man can be heard, had he not done that the crooks would have prosecuted him, but when he took away their jurisdiction over him, they left. Had he dishonored the Commercial System, he would have been prosecuted.
The Commercial System, "Babylon" Satan's world, has no control over you as the Living man/woman, except through contracts with that system, Remember when Satan wanted to Claim Moses's body, the Creator hid Moses's body, because he belonged to the Creator, not Satan. Moses had been owned by Satan and raised up in the laws of Baal, but he came out of that. You can too. If you want to get out of Babylon, you don't have to go any certain place, you just have to know "What is Babylon?" ALL contracts with any government service Agencies, whether known, or unknown, whether direct, or adhesive, connects you to Babylon, these contracts are Commercial, all debt is Commercial, All crime is Commercial, all licenses are Commercial, All corporations are Commercial, say 501 (c) (3). "Come Out of Her, My People"
The Scriptures is given to man as a manual, for his maintenance and repair, and to show man what happens when he fails to do it right.
The word "Law" appears many times in the Scriptures, but most people want to ignore that part. Because of your ignorance of the "Law" you pose the two Questions, "Is the U.S.A. Babylon the Great"?
Caesar was the ruler of the greatest "Commercial" empire on earth at that time. Today the U.S.A still operates under the same "Law" as Rome did at that time, nothing has changed. Most of the world today operates under the Roman Civil Law. Every Office in this country is owned and operated by the UNITED NATIONS, as a for profit Corporation, so kiss your constitutional rights goodby. All government, under this System is operated by Government Service Agencies, policy, customs, and procedures, for a profit and a gain for that system, not you. Most of the countries in the world operate the same way today, it's Satan's world.
The whole world is governed by the "Law of Commerce" Admiralty, the law of the sea, remember the coin in the fish's mouth. All Courts in this country, are Article I Legislative Courts, in Admiralty, in a Military Tribunal, see the flag behind the judge, "Military Reg. 840-10," and cannot even hear the living man speak. Caesar's jurisdiction was in the sea, but the Messiah brought the jurisdiction on the land, now the man can be heard, had he not done that the crooks would have prosecuted him, but when he took away their jurisdiction over him, they left. Had he dishonored the Commercial System, he would have been prosecuted.
The Commercial System, "Babylon" Satan's world, has no control over you as the Living man/woman, except through contracts with that system, Remember when Satan wanted to Claim Moses's body, the Creator hid Moses's body, because he belonged to the Creator, not Satan. Moses had been owned by Satan and raised up in the laws of Baal, but he came out of that. You can too. If you want to get out of Babylon, you don't have to go any certain place, you just have to know "What is Babylon?" ALL contracts with any government service Agencies, whether known, or unknown, whether direct, or adhesive, connects you to Babylon, these contracts are Commercial, all debt is Commercial, All crime is Commercial, all licenses are Commercial, All corporations are Commercial, say 501 (c) (3). "Come Out of Her, My People"
I don't know whether the commercial system is Babylon, it seems too intangible to fit well with the prophecies. However I strongly agree that it is a good idea to be minimising our attachments to it particularly at this time. All money is debt, due to the weird way the international monetary systems work. We should be working to get out of debt, but also get out of credit. Being in debt to a bank or anyone else makes you subject to them in some way. But being in credit means your assets are meaningless pieces of paper that could dissolve in value tomorrow. Far better to have little money, by turning that money into appreciating assets instead.
But it is near impossible to completely extricate yourself from the system. There are harsh penalties for failing to comply with basic rules such as birth registration and taxation. If you want to travel internationally, you need a passport, and have to be in the system to get one.
Over the last century or so a system has sneakily evolved that makes everybody prisoners in their own country, forced to register and comply with thousands of regulations around every aspect of life, and unable to go elsewhere because they can't get a residence visa anywhere else.
Refugee quotas in particular prevent refugees from escaping persecution.
But it is near impossible to completely extricate yourself from the system. There are harsh penalties for failing to comply with basic rules such as birth registration and taxation. If you want to travel internationally, you need a passport, and have to be in the system to get one.
Over the last century or so a system has sneakily evolved that makes everybody prisoners in their own country, forced to register and comply with thousands of regulations around every aspect of life, and unable to go elsewhere because they can't get a residence visa anywhere else.
Refugee quotas in particular prevent refugees from escaping persecution.
Someone should start another post about what a bible believing family should look like and how it would function and a second one about how a small community of believers would look and function.
Go for it, the floor is yours!
Alright, I'll start them tonight.
golden2seal
New Member
You only have big trouble with the Corporate System when you don't know your own identity. When you went to Public School, you was taught that you was a United States Citizen, in one form or another. You most likely fell for this lie. What makes you a United States Citizen? Are you born a United States Citizen?
Are you a State Citizen? Are you a non-resident alien? Are you a Civilian Citizen? Are you a State National of some State? Just who are you in the Scheme of things? Oh. you don't know the answers to these questions, there's where your problems lie. When you know who you are and where you fit in, the system don't have any use to bother you, because you're worthless to them. They can only make money off the voluntary use of Baals sons and daughters, not the Creators people.
The Sovereign Citizen and Straw man stuff is just hocus-pocus, put out by the System to deceive you.
The Flag, you was taught to pledge allegiance to, is a military battle flag of the UNITED STATES, INC., a private corporation for profit, incorporated in France, and all the STATE OF 'S, are Franchises of that mother corporation, all the government, is by Government Service Agencies, making a profit off the people. The Republican form of government on this land ceased in December of 1860 when the Lawful Congress of "The United States of America" adjourned sein die, therefore, terminating lawful government in this land. This Country and it's people have been under Military Rule ever since that time. See: Lieber Code, and Protocols of the Geneva Convention of 1949.
Now, for who are you? First where was you born? Most likely in a hospital on one of the 48 states. Does that make you a United States Citizen, NO, it does not, then what, you are a national of whatever state you was born on, unless you was born on a Military Base of the United States, then you're a United States Citizen. To be a United States Citizen, you have to have been born on a United States Territory, the states are "NOT" United States Territory. The term "United States" as used in most of the copyrighted, Statutes, codes, ordinances, constitutions, and Treaties, is not referring to the geographical land and the people of this land, but, instead, the District Of Columbia, Puerto Rico, Si pan, Guam, American Virgin Islands, and other holdings. So, when you filled out all those applications for different things, you said you was a United States Citizen, you most likely "LIED" on that application, that's one reason you're in trouble with the System.
You also need to understand the word "you", this word is probably your biggest downfall when dealing with the System. You, is PLURAL and is used to deceive the many.
There is two of "You" one is a creature of the STATE, created by the STATE, the only one the System can deal with, the other is the living man/women, the STATE can't deal with that one, that's why your name is in all caps on all STATE docs. concerning "you".
Don't believe it? Go to the Bureau of Vital Statistics in your STATE, and get a "Long form Birth Certificate, and a Short Form Birth Certificate, one will have your full name spelled in upper and lower case, the other will have your name spelled in all caps, with the last name first, they're for 2 different entities. Further study of your own should be done on this, because it's critical, when dealing with Baal's System. The Creator left you a way out.
If You understand what I've told you here, there's "NO" trouble getting a passport, or getting in or out of any country. This writing is just the basics, but if you care about these things, it'll get you started. All these things are "hidden" in plain sight, for those who care to learn.
Are you a State Citizen? Are you a non-resident alien? Are you a Civilian Citizen? Are you a State National of some State? Just who are you in the Scheme of things? Oh. you don't know the answers to these questions, there's where your problems lie. When you know who you are and where you fit in, the system don't have any use to bother you, because you're worthless to them. They can only make money off the voluntary use of Baals sons and daughters, not the Creators people.
The Sovereign Citizen and Straw man stuff is just hocus-pocus, put out by the System to deceive you.
The Flag, you was taught to pledge allegiance to, is a military battle flag of the UNITED STATES, INC., a private corporation for profit, incorporated in France, and all the STATE OF 'S, are Franchises of that mother corporation, all the government, is by Government Service Agencies, making a profit off the people. The Republican form of government on this land ceased in December of 1860 when the Lawful Congress of "The United States of America" adjourned sein die, therefore, terminating lawful government in this land. This Country and it's people have been under Military Rule ever since that time. See: Lieber Code, and Protocols of the Geneva Convention of 1949.
Now, for who are you? First where was you born? Most likely in a hospital on one of the 48 states. Does that make you a United States Citizen, NO, it does not, then what, you are a national of whatever state you was born on, unless you was born on a Military Base of the United States, then you're a United States Citizen. To be a United States Citizen, you have to have been born on a United States Territory, the states are "NOT" United States Territory. The term "United States" as used in most of the copyrighted, Statutes, codes, ordinances, constitutions, and Treaties, is not referring to the geographical land and the people of this land, but, instead, the District Of Columbia, Puerto Rico, Si pan, Guam, American Virgin Islands, and other holdings. So, when you filled out all those applications for different things, you said you was a United States Citizen, you most likely "LIED" on that application, that's one reason you're in trouble with the System.
You also need to understand the word "you", this word is probably your biggest downfall when dealing with the System. You, is PLURAL and is used to deceive the many.
There is two of "You" one is a creature of the STATE, created by the STATE, the only one the System can deal with, the other is the living man/women, the STATE can't deal with that one, that's why your name is in all caps on all STATE docs. concerning "you".
Don't believe it? Go to the Bureau of Vital Statistics in your STATE, and get a "Long form Birth Certificate, and a Short Form Birth Certificate, one will have your full name spelled in upper and lower case, the other will have your name spelled in all caps, with the last name first, they're for 2 different entities. Further study of your own should be done on this, because it's critical, when dealing with Baal's System. The Creator left you a way out.
If You understand what I've told you here, there's "NO" trouble getting a passport, or getting in or out of any country. This writing is just the basics, but if you care about these things, it'll get you started. All these things are "hidden" in plain sight, for those who care to learn.
Wondering how many on here listen to or read Trunews. I would consider them a valid end times resource. Also check out the new app called Prazor.
We follow it every day now. Highly recommend the site (http://www.trunews.com).
Prazor is a promising looking Christian media service. However the mobile app, and the Trunews app also, ask for a ridiculous amount of permissions - they want to know your contact details, location, phone records etc. There is no justification for this, I can't understand why they'd ask for this sort of stuff, it just makes their apps look like spyware. Theoretically, if a hacker were to obtain access to the Prazor servers, they'd be able to locate conservative Christians all over the world (precise GPS location) and the details of all their contacts, so it's just foolish to set up something like this right when the church is entering a time of persecution, even if the ministry itself is trustworthy (which I believe it is, this is foolishness rather than maliciousness). Worth installing only if your phone allows you to selectively disable these permissions, this varies by operating system version and how geeky you are... I've raised this issue with Trunews by multiple routes but have got no response, they might need more people raising the matter before they consider it seriously. And they're very busy right now anyway launching the service.
Fortunately you can access everything the Prazor app does through the website http://www.prazor.com without having to give any of your personal information away. The website is great, I was listening to music on it over breakfast today.
Prazor is a promising looking Christian media service. However the mobile app, and the Trunews app also, ask for a ridiculous amount of permissions - they want to know your contact details, location, phone records etc. There is no justification for this, I can't understand why they'd ask for this sort of stuff, it just makes their apps look like spyware. Theoretically, if a hacker were to obtain access to the Prazor servers, they'd be able to locate conservative Christians all over the world (precise GPS location) and the details of all their contacts, so it's just foolish to set up something like this right when the church is entering a time of persecution, even if the ministry itself is trustworthy (which I believe it is, this is foolishness rather than maliciousness). Worth installing only if your phone allows you to selectively disable these permissions, this varies by operating system version and how geeky you are... I've raised this issue with Trunews by multiple routes but have got no response, they might need more people raising the matter before they consider it seriously. And they're very busy right now anyway launching the service.
Fortunately you can access everything the Prazor app does through the website http://www.prazor.com without having to give any of your personal information away. The website is great, I was listening to music on it over breakfast today.
While I have not been active on this site for quite some time, I HAVE done a radio show on precisely this topic for a number of years now on Hebrew Nation Radio, and authored a website ministry by the same name, "Come out of her, My people," from Revelation 18:4.
There is far "more to it" than merely trying to escape physically from a locale, however: Babylon is a pagan religious, economic, legal , and political system, with deep roots that permeate the entire world now.
My "sound bite summary" has been that while "Amerika-with-a-K" may not BE precisely the prophetic end-times Babylon, it's definitely within the Greater Babylon Metro Area.
Some here might find the podcast archives for both news shows and "Come out of her, My people" on the Hebrew Nation Radio site to be of interest:
http://www.hebrewnationonline.com
In particular, the news show for Tuesday, 23 February, addresses this topic (and a recent relevant TruNews interview) directly:
http://hebrewnationonline.com/mark-call ... esday-129/
There is far "more to it" than merely trying to escape physically from a locale, however: Babylon is a pagan religious, economic, legal , and political system, with deep roots that permeate the entire world now.
My "sound bite summary" has been that while "Amerika-with-a-K" may not BE precisely the prophetic end-times Babylon, it's definitely within the Greater Babylon Metro Area.
Some here might find the podcast archives for both news shows and "Come out of her, My people" on the Hebrew Nation Radio site to be of interest:
http://www.hebrewnationonline.com
In particular, the news show for Tuesday, 23 February, addresses this topic (and a recent relevant TruNews interview) directly:
http://hebrewnationonline.com/mark-call ... esday-129/
Thankyou Mark, another site to follow! I must say that, personally, YHWH has used Biblical marriage as a tool to put us in touch with deep thinking followers of Him, and send us on a journey away from standard church-ianity towards His true teachings. You're spot-on in that show. I actually stood for parliament here several years ago, for a Christian party, I've come a long way around to seeing that I am a citizen of a far greater Kingdom and my focus needs to be on that instead. Political action within Satan's system will never achieve anything more than temporary token pseudo-victories, our civilisations belong to him and he has set them on a course to destruction that we cannot reverse. Because YHWH does not intend for us to reverse it, He intends to let it all come to a head so He can have a final showdown and defeat the ruler of this world. We need to step out of it and simply follow Him.
Mark C said:
Definitely has my vote for BF quote of the week. I look forward to listening to Hebrew Nation.
Easy commute to Babylon?
Not only an easy commute, but they'll bring the Tyranny right to your door. (By drone, even.)
Just select from the convenient multi-god menu, including a plethora of Hollywood and Washington idols. You will need national ID or suitable mark to order, however...
Just select from the convenient multi-god menu, including a plethora of Hollywood and Washington idols. You will need national ID or suitable mark to order, however...
I do believe Babylon the Great is the United States?
http://www.yahushua.net/babylon/nyc.htm
http://truthfed.com/2015/06/01/25-reaso ... y-babylon/
http://cowgernation.com/2015/09/11/amer ... in-1-hour/
http://www.yahushua.net/babylon/nyc.htm
http://truthfed.com/2015/06/01/25-reaso ... y-babylon/
http://cowgernation.com/2015/09/11/amer ... in-1-hour/
FollowingHim said:
Well, I can see that the Pope is definitely tied to political events having for that matter a "political" influence also. What a surprise to learn that even in the past Christianity was used as a way to sway humanity at that time to what was desirable for the ruler back then. Ever heard the quote used by Constantine the Great: "If You Cannot Beat Them, Join Them!" ? He was a politician and made Christianity a religion in order to have the followers do what he wanted them to do without them knowing he injected his personal ideas. How is that not a wrapped up political influence?
For your consideration a video on this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZMEdL-2WgE (45mins)
Eristhophanes
Member
My vote isn't the United States, but rather New York City.
If you look at Rev. 18, the great city is overthrown in 1 hour because a "great stone" like a millstone was cast into the sea.
If you want to find the "great stone" look no further than the west escarpment of Cumbre Vieja on the island of La Palma in the Western Canary Islands. If you Google "cumbre vieja" you'll get lots of interesting results, indicating that Cumbre Vieja is the greatest threat to the US in existence today. When (and I believe it will be a "when" and not "if") the doomsday scenario happens, the tidal waves will start hitting the East Coast of the US six hours later and the duration will be about an hour, fitting Scripture perfectly.
Wikipedia has some of Ward and Day's research, but it's interesting that a couple of factors were left out and their "worst case" scenario is only about half of what it could easily be. And everyone who makes light of their research (pretty much everyone, because it's just too scary) tries to say that their worst case is highly unlikely. Because nobody takes into account what scalar weapons can do.
Most of the people who write about this have no clue as to the magnitude of this and they talk about "lead time" and "evacuation" as if that's even a possibility. It isn't. So many people would die in New York that the only thing that could be done would be to quarantine the area and let the bodies rot. Which would certainly fulfill Rev. 18.
And, of course, everyone's go-to thought is nukes to kick off the party. While nukes would work, my vote is scalar weapons for a variety of reasons. A few years back I wrote a series of novels about this and based on the research I did, I can assure you that for the US it's an extinction event.
If you look at Rev. 18, the great city is overthrown in 1 hour because a "great stone" like a millstone was cast into the sea.
If you want to find the "great stone" look no further than the west escarpment of Cumbre Vieja on the island of La Palma in the Western Canary Islands. If you Google "cumbre vieja" you'll get lots of interesting results, indicating that Cumbre Vieja is the greatest threat to the US in existence today. When (and I believe it will be a "when" and not "if") the doomsday scenario happens, the tidal waves will start hitting the East Coast of the US six hours later and the duration will be about an hour, fitting Scripture perfectly.
Wikipedia has some of Ward and Day's research, but it's interesting that a couple of factors were left out and their "worst case" scenario is only about half of what it could easily be. And everyone who makes light of their research (pretty much everyone, because it's just too scary) tries to say that their worst case is highly unlikely. Because nobody takes into account what scalar weapons can do.
Most of the people who write about this have no clue as to the magnitude of this and they talk about "lead time" and "evacuation" as if that's even a possibility. It isn't. So many people would die in New York that the only thing that could be done would be to quarantine the area and let the bodies rot. Which would certainly fulfill Rev. 18.
And, of course, everyone's go-to thought is nukes to kick off the party. While nukes would work, my vote is scalar weapons for a variety of reasons. A few years back I wrote a series of novels about this and based on the research I did, I can assure you that for the US it's an extinction event.