So hundreds of people all mistranslated it? Nah, they meant slaves literally.
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GRR... I am annoyed at two of our more public voices
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Iron is still used everywhere today but is usually other things are added to it to form an alloy. I have no doubt that you already know this and are just asking in order to add to the conversation. I would hazard that the biblical premise of iron sharpening iron is just as valid today as it was when that was written.
Out of curiosity, I looked at the German, French, and Latin translations of Ephesians 6:5, and they all use literally slave. At least the German translation should have been an as Independent as a translation as can be.
So you are saying that you are a better bible translator then the many. And I am arrogant?
I am assuming that Ephesians 6:5 was quite popular at southern US churches back in the days.
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The point was that the fact that iron was used as an example suggests an author limited to the earthly realm, since that was the most advanced material they had at a time. I doubt a God would have bothered using it as an example for anything.Iron is still used everywhere today but is usually other things are added to it to form an alloy. I have no doubt that you already know this and are just asking in order to add to the conversation. I would hazard that the biblical premise of iron sharpening iron is just as valid today as it was when that was written.
A God?? Is there one above all others? Is there a creator whom is greater than all others? Are all Gods the creation of men?
Others may read this. I have little expectations otherwise:
Scripture is quite clear on that difference, and the references are MANY. (From "seven years," to beatings, to the loss of a tooth, to marriage...good grief...that's just the Obvious.)
You'd know that if you bothered to read it and try to see what you chose to ignore. So your "curiosity" seems misplaced. (And many "debt slaves," today, BTW, are in far WORSE shape than the 'slavery' even of Joseph's Egypt - where they didn't own the land, and gave 20% to Pharoah.)
You appear to just want to belittle the study of Scripture, and the El Who Wrote it. Dismissively, even:
Ignore at your own peril. But the case is made.
I'm saying exactly what I said before, and you ignored. There is a DIFFERENCE between what Scripture describes as Hebrew bond-servitude and what 'many people' understand as slavery. Particularly, but not limited to, those in antebellum America.
Scripture is quite clear on that difference, and the references are MANY. (From "seven years," to beatings, to the loss of a tooth, to marriage...good grief...that's just the Obvious.)
You'd know that if you bothered to read it and try to see what you chose to ignore. So your "curiosity" seems misplaced. (And many "debt slaves," today, BTW, are in far WORSE shape than the 'slavery' even of Joseph's Egypt - where they didn't own the land, and gave 20% to Pharoah.)
You appear to just want to belittle the study of Scripture, and the El Who Wrote it. Dismissively, even:
Ignore at your own peril. But the case is made.
Clearly.
You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT
Permanent would exclude bond servitude, "seven years" etc.
We also see evil Deuteronomy "When the Lord your God gives you victory in battle and you take prisoners, 11 you may see among them a beautiful woman that you like and want to marry. Since you forced her to have intercourse with you, you cannot treat her as a slave and sell her."
If we take the Bible literally one can force a female prisoner of war to intercourse. Which is also something more satanic then God like. And even though in this instance one cannot sell her as a sale, this is presented as an exception to the rule. Hence, to get back to the original point, we can conclude that slaves can be sold as property, they are not servants.
You are trying to make the Bible more adaptable to what is considered acceptable today. Essentially, you are doing what you are saying I am doing.
Fools of there own making. Bros that finance a $100,000 trucks for 6 year and more. Do not put fools into a basket with slaves.
What I was attempting to do (unsuccessfully, and I see that it is a Sisyphean task) is to get you to READ it for what it says, IN CONTEXT.
You still ignore that.
And I'd bet that even some of the most "anti-Torah" on here could point out to you why the two "examples" you cite make the case for the distinction, and rebuke your ignorance.
(Hint: the 'context' for slavery vs bondservice -- and the KJV even uses the correct word!!!!! -- begins in Lev. 25:39. Did it ever occur to you to read the WHOLE thing? And maybe even understand the history of why some people groups - "...the Hittites, and the Girgashites, and the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites..." (Deut. 7:1-2, etc) are singled out for literal destruction? You are too arrogant to learn at this point. Go ahead: prove me wrong.)
PS> This kind of crap is just inexcusable:
You REALLY don't want to even understand the basics, do you?
Wait, you are actually using genocide as an example!?! How far down the rabbit hole are you going to go?
I have some tasks yet to do for New Years Eve so might not be able to respond to other messages promptly.
Not quite, it says to honor your father and mother. It stops short of commanding obedience.
So the parts of the bible that make you uncomfortable, slavery and all those good things, are translation errors, they got it wrong. However, the parts that give you absolute power, and state that you can view a wife as property are absolute perfect examples of translation. Every word is precise. To be taken literally.
Right.
The destruction of the family unit is the seed of equality that the adversary planted, and the union of the church/state. The church says get married with the state - and the state supports easy divorce with the woman receiving rewards for her rebellion - and with that comes children growing up fatherless - not knowing whether they are male or female. Instead of the wife being his loving and caring helper - what she was created to be - she becomes his lawgiver, judge, and executioner. This is a perversion of the Creator's creation. Men already have a Master that is his King, Lawgiver, and Judge. We don't need a woman to fulfill a role she wasn't designed to be. Isaiah 33:22.
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The word "slaves" can easily be translated to "bond-servant." Romans 1:1
This letter is from Paul, a slave (some translations use bond-servant) of Christ Jesus, chosen by God to be an apostle and sent out to preach his Good News.
The righteous Abraham was very wealthy, and so he had male and female slaves (bond-servants). The irony is that - I would reckon - those "slaves" that the righteous Abraham had - they had better lives than the majority of Americans today - who are indeed debt slaves - and they don't even realize it.
How many Americans would lose everything they have if they stopped working? Paid off your house? You still have a hefty property tax bill each year, and probably an HOA attached to it (both continue to rise). Along with paying for water, food, electric, and gas. Meanwhile - your dollar bills are being robbed from you - because the FED is printing like there's no tomorrow - which means your dollar bill is being "de-valued" which is a form of "theft." How's that for a good master?
Slavery never went away.
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Sadly you've described far too many world leaders.
Indeed. Because what happens when your parents are either criminals or fools? You can honor them yet you'd be a fool to obey them.
You don't get to choose.
You lack sovereignity over Lord, so you are incapable of judging Him for murder. You can just have opinion (wrong one here, off course).
He determines what is proper self-defense.
Written to completely eradicate culture. Virgins will assimilate, especially after marriage.
Also, spares Israel of perrenial problem in Inca empire. Killing adults, then having rebellion after male children grow up.
Yes, culture can be so evil it deserves eradication (Aztecs etc...). Found today legislation in Indian state (federal state as USA) banning human sacrifice for good luck.
Should I mention Indian custom of throwing widows in fire after her husband death? British did eradicate this nonsense with force.
Hebrews were members of covenant, therefore they got better treatment. Not exactly sure why.
Most Roman slaves were debt variety (paying off debt by work). Rest were war captives.
Since Roman masters had big power over slave (regulations limiting slaveowners did come with time passage) this advice will improve life for slave.
And buying freedom was possible. Easier if in you are in owner's favor.