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If you look at the last verse of chapter 3 it is talking to the sheep (us, hopefully) who return.
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1 Timothy 4 "some shall depart from the faith" "Forbidding to marry" Blasphemy!
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If you look at the last verse of chapter 3 it is talking to the sheep (us, hopefully) who return.
Find me the words “God the Son” in the Bible.
The only thing that you will find is Son of God, or God’s Son.
He won’t, you know.Way to go Steve for getting him to commit to shutting up!
Before the creator became flesh and dwelt among us and told us different. But our creator (whom you deny is our creator) told us divorce was only previously permitted because of the "hardness of heart" and it is adultery to remarry after divorce and its adultery to marry she who is divorced.
Matthew 19
3 The Pharisees also came to Him, testing Him, and saying to Him, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for just any reason?”
4 And He answered and said to them, “Have you not read that He who [a]made them at the beginning ‘made them male and female,’
5 and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’?
6 So then, they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate.”
7 They said to Him, “Why then did Moses command to give a certificate of divorce, and to put her away?”
8 He said to them, “Moses, because of the hardness of your hearts, permitted you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so.
9 And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery; and whoever marries her who is divorced commits adultery.”
10 His disciples said to Him, “If such is the case of the man with his wife, it is better not to marry.”
John 1
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 He was in the beginning with God.
14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.
Re: Yahushua is NOT a liar... (when He said He wasn't changing His own Word)
And do you DENY that He said, in Matthew 5:17-19 that He was NOT changing "one yod or tiddle" of His Instruction? Especially not in the very same single speech?
And just how clear does He have to make it that - even if men can't manage to keep their word and honor their covenants - they should at least TRY?
Wow. Too bad we are no longer allowed to actually debate that on this forum, since it is perhaps the Biggest Lie in Human History, with (perhaps) the exception of "you can be like god," and "you will not die." But, maybe it's redundant on that score...
You can't even be bothered to search out the Greek words and understand the errors you are swallowing, and ignoring: the difference between "put away" and a PROCESS that has no Hebrew name even, but is called "divorce" in English when it is complete.
And do you DENY that He said, in Matthew 5:17-19 that He was NOT changing "one yod or tiddle" of His Instruction? Especially not in the very same single speech?
And just how clear does He have to make it that - even if men can't manage to keep their word and honor their covenants - they should at least TRY?
Perhaps.
But the claim has been that to "advocate" for studying His Torah might be "divisive."
I will suggest - from personal experience - that it's not even a bump on the nose of a wart hog compared to telling a man and his wife that their marriage is 'adultery,' and then mandating what? That he "put her away"? Or else "go to hell?"
I keep Sabbath. I don't demand others do, much less go to blows about it. But I know men who WOULD if you try to tell them their lawfully-divorced now-wife is NOT. And I wouldn't blame 'em, either.
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Read it steve, I dont want to be right, i want us all to be saved. Ive been wrong before too, its okay, who cares? Lets just all love the truth together!
John 1
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 He was in the beginning with God.
14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.
^ word is Him, word became flesh! Yahushua is Yahuah!
1 Corinthians 12
3 Therefore I want you to know that no one who is speaking by the Ruach ha-Kodesh says, “Yahushua be cursed,” and no one can say, "Yahushua is Yahuah" except by the Ruach ha-Kodesh.
^ The Son is the Most High
John 8
48 Then the Jews answered and said to Him, “Do we not say rightly that You are a Samaritan and have a demon?”
49 Jesus answered, “I do not have a demon; but I honor My Father, and you dishonor Me.
50 And I do not seek My own glory; there is One who seeks and judges.
51 Most assuredly, I say to you, if anyone keeps My word he shall never see death.”
52 Then the Jews said to Him, “Now we know that You have a demon! Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and You say, ‘If anyone keeps My word he shall never taste death.’
53 Are You greater than our father Abraham, who is dead? And the prophets are dead. Who do You make Yourself out to be?”
54 Jesus answered, “If I honor Myself, My honor is nothing. It is My Father who honors Me, of whom you say that He is [a]your God. 55 Yet you have not known Him, but I know Him. And if I say, ‘I do not know Him,’ I shall be a liar like you; but I do know Him and keep His word. 56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad.”
57 Then the Jews said to Him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?”
58 Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”
59 Then they took up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.
^ unbelieving jews pick up stones to kill The Son because he was claiming to be the Most High.
John 10
30 I and My Father are one.”
^ I can find more verses if you need brother. I'm starting to think you might be sinning in ignorance, the Son's sacrifice covers sin commited in ignorance. Repent and turn away from your sin. That is the exception given for divorce, your allowed to divorce an adulteress if she has seduced you into commiting adultery with her.
Matthew 5
32 But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, makes her the victim of adultery, and anyone who marries a divorced woman commits adultery.
^ repent and divorce her if you are sleeping with another mans wife. If this is the moment you have received "knowledge of the truth" then it is essential you don't return to your sin in "willful sin" and rebel.
Hebrews 10
26 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins,
27 but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries.
28 Anyone who has rejected Moses’ law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses.
29 Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace?
30 For we know Him who said, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,” says the Lord. And again, “The Lord will judge His people.”
31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
2 Peter 2
21 It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them.
22 Of them the proverbs are true: “A dog returns to its vomit,” and, “A sow that is washed returns to her wallowing in the mud.”
That verse does Not say He will never change anything.
Matthew 5
17 “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill.
18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.
^ This verse does NOT say He cannot change things. He doesn't change, His law can. Speaking from the (NEW) Covenant here... Obviously we know sin from the law as paul tells us.
Romans 7
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, “You shall not covet.”
So no i don't deny that verse i just clearly observe it does NOT say "the law never be updated or perfected"
Do you agree Yahushua is Yahuah, our creator?
He did, i said Yahushua is Yahuah. steve said this.
("No, read your Bible.
Yeshuah is the son of Yahuah.")
verses?
Because i just have several where our creator is saying its adultery to remarry after divorce and its adultery to marry her who is divorced. Then there is you (a man) saying to rebel and not follow scripture.
2 Thessalonians 2
10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie,
12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
Proverbs 9Way to go Steve for getting him to commit to shutting up!
7 “He who corrects a scoffer gets shame for himself,
And he who rebukes a wicked man only harms himself.
8 Do not correct a scoffer, lest he hate you;
Rebuke a wise man, and he will love you.
9 Give instruction to a wise man, and he will be still wiser;
Teach a just man, and he will increase in learning.
10 “The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom,
And the knowledge of the Holy One is understanding.
Hebrews 12
16 lest there be any fornicator or profane person like Esau, who for one morsel of food sold his birthright.
17 For you know that afterward, when he wanted to inherit the blessing, he was rejected, for he found no place for repentance, though he sought it diligently with tears.
18 For you have not come to the mountain that may be touched and that burned with fire, and to blackness and darkness and tempest,
19 and the sound of a trumpet and the voice of words, so that those who heard it begged that the word should not be spoken to them anymore.
20 (For they could not endure what was commanded: “And if so much as a beast touches the mountain, it shall be stoned or shot with an arrow.”
21 And so terrifying was the sight that Moses said, “I am exceedingly afraid and trembling.”)
Nehemiah 9
26 “Nevertheless they were disobedient
And rebelled against You,
Cast Your law behind their backs
And killed Your prophets, who testified against them
To turn them to Yourself;
And they worked great provocations.
27 Therefore You delivered them into the hand of their enemies,
Who oppressed them;
And in the time of their trouble,
When they cried to You,
You heard from heaven;
And according to Your abundant mercies
You gave them deliverers who saved them
From the hand of their enemies.
28 “But after they had rest,
They again did evil before You.
Therefore You left them in the hand of their enemies,
So that they had dominion over them;
Yet when they returned and cried out to You,
You heard from heaven;
And many times You delivered them according to Your mercies,
29 And [m]testified against them,
That You might bring them back to Your law.
Yet they acted proudly,
And did not heed Your commandments,
But sinned against Your judgments,
‘Which if a man does, he shall live by them.’
And they shrugged their shoulders,
Stiffened their necks,
And would not hear.
30 Yet for many years You had patience with them,
And testified against them by Your Spirit in Your prophets.
Yet they would not listen;
Therefore You gave them into the hand of the peoples of the lands.
31 Nevertheless in Your great mercy
You did not utterly consume them nor forsake them;
For You are God, gracious and merciful.
32 “Now therefore, our God,
The great, the mighty, and awesome God,
Who keeps covenant and mercy:
Do not let all the trouble seem small before You
That has come upon us,
Our kings and our princes,
Our priests and our prophets,
Our fathers and on all Your people,
From the days of the kings of Assyria until this day.
33 However You are just in all that has befallen us;
For You have dealt faithfully,
But we have done wickedly.
34 Neither our kings nor our princes,
Our priests nor our fathers,
Have kept Your law,
Nor heeded Your commandments and Your testimonies,
With which You testified against them.
35 For they have not served You in their kingdom,
Or in the many good things that You gave them,
Or in the large and rich land which You set before them;
Nor did they turn from their wicked works.
36 “Here we are, servants today!
And the land that You gave to our fathers,
To eat its fruit and its bounty,
Here we are, servants in it!
37 And it yields much increase to the kings
You have set over us,
Because of our sins;
Also they have dominion over our bodies and our cattle
At their pleasure;
And we are in great distress.
Proverbs 9
7 “He who corrects a scoffer gets shame for himself,
And he who rebukes a wicked man only harms himself.
8 Do not correct a scoffer, lest he hate you;
Rebuke a wise man, and he will love you.
9 Give instruction to a wise man, and he will be still wiser;
Teach a just man, and he will increase in learning.
10 “The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom,
And the knowledge of the Holy One is understanding.
Hes talking to those who fear Him, im a slave and a fool for Yahushua.
He did not say anything about the creator. At this point, I don't think you know who the creator even is....
The truth is not something to be mad at a brother about. That would bring judgement.
Matthew 5
22 But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment. And whoever says to his brother, ‘Raca! shall be in danger of the council. But whoever says, 'You fool!’ shall be in danger of hell fire.
John 1
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 He was in the beginning with God.
14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.
^ word is Him, word became flesh! Yahushua is Yahuah!
1 Corinthians 12
3 Therefore I want you to know that no one who is speaking by the Ruach ha-Kodesh says, “Yahushua be cursed,” and no one can say, "Yahushua is Yahuah" except by the Ruach ha-Kodesh.
^ The Son is the Most High
John 8
48 Then the Jews answered and said to Him, “Do we not say rightly that You are a Samaritan and have a demon?”
49 Jesus answered, “I do not have a demon; but I honor My Father, and you dishonor Me.
50 And I do not seek My own glory; there is One who seeks and judges.
51 Most assuredly, I say to you, if anyone keeps My word he shall never see death.”
52 Then the Jews said to Him, “Now we know that You have a demon! Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and You say, ‘If anyone keeps My word he shall never taste death.’
53 Are You greater than our father Abraham, who is dead? And the prophets are dead. Who do You make Yourself out to be?”
54 Jesus answered, “If I honor Myself, My honor is nothing. It is My Father who honors Me, of whom you say that He is [a]your God. 55 Yet you have not known Him, but I know Him. And if I say, ‘I do not know Him,’ I shall be a liar like you; but I do know Him and keep His word. 56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad.”
57 Then the Jews said to Him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?”
58 Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”
59 Then they took up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.
^ unbelieving jews pick up stones to kill The Son because he was claiming to be the Most High.
John 10
30 I and My Father are one.”
Repent for your unbelief.
John 1
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 He was in the beginning with God.
14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.
^ word is Him, word became flesh! Yahushua is Yahuah!
1 Corinthians 12
3 Therefore I want you to know that no one who is speaking by the Ruach ha-Kodesh says, “Yahushua be cursed,” and no one can say, "Yahushua is Yahuah" except by the Ruach ha-Kodesh.
^ The Son is the Most High
John 8
48 Then the Jews answered and said to Him, “Do we not say rightly that You are a Samaritan and have a demon?”
49 Jesus answered, “I do not have a demon; but I honor My Father, and you dishonor Me.
50 And I do not seek My own glory; there is One who seeks and judges.
51 Most assuredly, I say to you, if anyone keeps My word he shall never see death.”
52 Then the Jews said to Him, “Now we know that You have a demon! Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and You say, ‘If anyone keeps My word he shall never taste death.’
53 Are You greater than our father Abraham, who is dead? And the prophets are dead. Who do You make Yourself out to be?”
54 Jesus answered, “If I honor Myself, My honor is nothing. It is My Father who honors Me, of whom you say that He is [a]your God. 55 Yet you have not known Him, but I know Him. And if I say, ‘I do not know Him,’ I shall be a liar like you; but I do know Him and keep His word. 56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad.”
57 Then the Jews said to Him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?”
58 Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”
59 Then they took up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.
^ unbelieving jews pick up stones to kill The Son because he was claiming to be the Most High.
John 10
30 I and My Father are one.”
Repent for your unbelief.
Says you, putting words in His mouth. He just SAID "not one yod or tiddle" would pass from the torah, and then you call Him a liar, and claim He immediately changed what He just said He would not.
And you quote II Thessalonians like it is a pagan mantra, and somehow excuses your own willful delusion. If you really loved the Truth, you'd believe Him, rather than trying to correct Him.
This has become pointless. Are you a troll?
The creator - >
Psa 33:6 By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth.
Psa 33:7 He gathereth the waters of the sea together as an heap: he layeth up the depth in storehouses.
Psa 33:8 Let all the earth fear the LORD: let all the inhabitants of the world stand in awe of him.
Psa 33:9 For he spake, and it was done; he commanded, and it stood fast.
This said, BY THE WORD of the LORD were the heavens made and all that was made was made...
If you look into the word LORD there, it is referring to the MOST HIGH, Yahweh.
WHAT or WHO is the WORD of the MOST HIGH????
oh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Joh 1:4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
Joh 1:5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
Joh 1:6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
Joh 1:7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
Joh 1:8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
Joh 1:9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
Joh 1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
Joh 1:11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
Joh 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
Joh 1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
The Word of Yahweh IS Yeshua!
But, but, but,,,,, they are the same ain't they?!?!?! Nope!!
Joh 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,)
Joh_5:37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.
So, we beheld him but no one has beheld the father. He is begotten of the father and is called the SON and the WORD.
If we saw him, we did not see his father...
What about Moses, Moses saw his shape... Right? Wrong, he saw the backside of Yeshua!
Yeshua did not come of his own accord but to do the will of his father.
Joh 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
If he WANTED to die, it would have been his will. He did NOT want to die on the cross. It was NOT his will do die on the cross but it was the will of his father.
WAS HE SENT ???
Joh_4:34 Jesus saith unto them, My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work.
Joh_5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me,, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
Joh_5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me,.
Joh_5:36 But I have greater witness than that of John: for the works which the Father hath given me to finish, the same works that I do, bear witness of me, that the Father hath sent me,.
Joh_5:37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me,, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.
Joh_6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me,.
Joh_6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me,, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
Joh_6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me,, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Joh_6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me, draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Joh_6:57 As the living Father hath sent me,, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.
Joh_7:16 Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me,.
Joh_7:28 Then cried Jesus in the temple as he taught, saying, Ye both know me, and ye know whence I am: and I am not come of myself, but he that sent me, is true, whom ye know not.
Joh_7:29 But I know him: for I am from him, and he hath sent me,.
Joh_7:33 Then said Jesus unto them, Yet a little while am I with you, and then I go unto him that sent me,.
Joh_8:16 And yet if I judge, my judgment is true: for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me,.
Joh_8:18 I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me, beareth witness of me.
Joh_8:26 I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me, is true; and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him.
Joh_8:29 And he that sent me, is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him.
Joh_8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me,.
Joh_9:4 I must work the works of him that sent me,, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work.
Joh_11:42 And I knew that thou hearest me always: but because of the people which stand by I said it, that they may believe that thou hast sent me,.
Joh_12:44 Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me,.
Joh_12:45 And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me,.
Joh_12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me,, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
Joh_13:20 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me,.
Joh_14:24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me,.
Joh_15:21 But all these things will they do unto you for my name's sake, because they know not him that sent me,.
Joh_16:5 But now I go my way to him that sent me,; and none of you asketh me, Whither goest thou?
Joh_17:18 As thou hast sent me, into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.
Joh_17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me,.
Joh_17:23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me,, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
Joh_17:25 O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me,.
Joh_20:21 Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me,, even so send I you.
So yeah, he was sent by his Father....