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Meat Obeying the voices in your head?
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Good question. I'm wondering how you know the word "you" in John 14:26 is referring to the disciples and to us "(and our)"? Shalom
Acts 9: -16. And there was a certain disciple at Damascus, named Ananias; and to him said the Lord in a vision, Ananias. And he said, Behold, I am here,Lord.
And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the street which is called Straight, and inquire in the house of Judas for one called Saul, of Tarsus: for, behold, he prayeth,
And hath seen in a vision a man named Ananias coming in, and putting his hand on him, that he might receive his sight.
Then Ananias answered, Lord, I have heard by many of this man, how much evil he hath done to thy saints at Jerusalem:
And here he hath authority from the chief priests to bind all that call on thy name.
But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:
For I will shew him how great things he must suffer for my name’s sake.†.
Here’s an entire conversation carried on in a vision.
And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the street which is called Straight, and inquire in the house of Judas for one called Saul, of Tarsus: for, behold, he prayeth,
And hath seen in a vision a man named Ananias coming in, and putting his hand on him, that he might receive his sight.
Then Ananias answered, Lord, I have heard by many of this man, how much evil he hath done to thy saints at Jerusalem:
And here he hath authority from the chief priests to bind all that call on thy name.
But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:
For I will shew him how great things he must suffer for my name’s sake.†.
Here’s an entire conversation carried on in a vision.
You are absolutely correct! God spoke clear as day, with no ambiguity! Excellent case in point!
Specifically, that passage is stating that the disciples present would be taught and things brought to their rememberance.
There’s a distinction made in the passage which you are conveniently overlooking. The conversation was carried on in a vision. What’s a vision?
What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light: and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops.
Also, an excellent point. And also no allusion to to voices in their heads.
Acts 22:9 And they that were with me saw indeed the light, and were afraid; but they heard not the voice of him that spake to me.
Seems like a prime example of hearing a completely audible voice in your head that is not audible to those beside you.
Also Acts 22:17 has another example when Paul was praying in the temple, ended up in a trance and God spoke to him and presumably no one else heard it because they weren’t in the trance with him. Sounds like voices in the head to me.
Seems like a prime example of hearing a completely audible voice in your head that is not audible to those beside you.
Also Acts 22:17 has another example when Paul was praying in the temple, ended up in a trance and God spoke to him and presumably no one else heard it because they weren’t in the trance with him. Sounds like voices in the head to me.
The phrase hear in the ear is an idiom for a whisper. Something only you would hear
Acts 9:7 And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man.
That’s a great question! What i am pretty certain of is that it is not a vague fleeting thought voice where the person experiencing it (namely Ananias) would be like “i feel like maybe God might be saying something like...”
1 Corinthians 2:10-16
But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
Which things also we speak, not in the words which man’s wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth;†; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither† can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.
This brings us back to my earlier question. What method does the Holy Spirit use to teach us? It cannot be solely reading the words in scripture, because a natural man can do that just as easily as a spiritual man.
But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
Which things also we speak, not in the words which man’s wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth;†; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither† can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.
This brings us back to my earlier question. What method does the Holy Spirit use to teach us? It cannot be solely reading the words in scripture, because a natural man can do that just as easily as a spiritual man.
...in your ear
Yep. I’m not sure how to reconcile the two passages.
How does one “hear” a voice in their head? There are no “ears” within a head.
Thus, we are arguing about semantics and cultural speech patterns that mean the same thing.
The Ethiopian eunuch didn’t seem to think so.
You are absolutely correct
I started catching up on this thread with no opinion either way. I hadn’t really thought about it before. Just doing a couple of brief word searches and studies (which I posted above) has put me fairly convinced that God does speak to some people “in their head” and did so in scripture.
I have much more important things to occupy myself with than arguing semantics, so you guys have fun with this, just keep it civil.
I have much more important things to occupy myself with than arguing semantics, so you guys have fun with this, just keep it civil.
I have read this conversation with interest; for this is one area in which I feel like a babe.
I'd love it if you would expound upon that.
Exactly, we are still in the last days. There were dreams from God in the OT, and they were prophecies to be in NT times as well; I see no reason for them not to be present today.
Nor do I see any reason to doubt God would speak to us or prophecy to us today. We have the scriptures to know God and know righeousness, but we still have need for daily guidance in life.
But I'd love it if someone could explain to me how I'm supposed to know from where an inner voice/thought came from: whether my own mind, or God/the Holy Spirit, or from an unholy Spirit/Satan. How am I supposed to know the difference?
I'd love it if you would expound upon that.
Exactly, we are still in the last days. There were dreams from God in the OT, and they were prophecies to be in NT times as well; I see no reason for them not to be present today.
Nor do I see any reason to doubt God would speak to us or prophecy to us today. We have the scriptures to know God and know righeousness, but we still have need for daily guidance in life.
But I'd love it if someone could explain to me how I'm supposed to know from where an inner voice/thought came from: whether my own mind, or God/the Holy Spirit, or from an unholy Spirit/Satan. How am I supposed to know the difference?
My first thought is if that's a concern to you, you should consider everything that pops into your head as your own thoughts. When God speaks to you, he'll do it in a way that you will not be able to explain away as a random thought. I spent years trying to find the voice of God somewhere in my own thoughts, and I have come to the opinion that the more someone tries to do that, the more it becomes a form of divination using your own brain matter instead of sheep livers.
I'll be the first to admit, I'm not one of the 'spiritually sensitive' types. If I have any form of mystical spiritual discernment it's very rough and rudimentary. Perhaps someone with the Gift of discerning of spirits can sift through inner voices and stuff and get a lot more out of it than I ever could. But I think you're built similar to me, so I wouldn't place much hope in that as a mechanism. Maybe pray for the gift of discernment?
Consider the question of why mankind was created.
Did our Creator design this world and then Adam just so that He could have some pets to amuse Him? Kinda like having an anthill behind a glass window?
What did Yah do with Adam? We are not specifically told, but when Adam and Eve heard the voice of the Lord and hid themselves, it would seem that He wasn’t interacting with them as His infinite self, but as a being that was more limited.
They didn’t seem to be freaked out by His showing up that way, just by their own condition.
It seems reasonable to believe that He was friends with them and interacted with them as a friend would.
Ok, they sinned and messed up that relationship. Did Yah never want interaction with humans on a personal basis from then on? That’s the question that has to be answered by each of us.
If you are just some kind of pet for Him to be amused by, then live your life by whatever rules you choose to believe are for you in His Book, but relationship isn’t part of the picture.
If you were created for a relationship with Him, how are you going to communicate? He is Spirit, He has no lungs nor voice box to naturally create the sound waves that our ears receive. He can create sound waves all day long, if He chooses. But why choose to believe that that is the only way that He wants to communicate?
As @Verifyveritas76 said, it’s all semantics trying to prove how He communicates with us, but the deeper question is does He want communication/relationship with us?
If He doesn’t, then none of this matters.
If He does, then why not allow Him to speak to us as a spirit being would speak? Spirit to spirit. In our heads/spirit, however that works. Don’t limit Him by rules that seem natural.
The enemy of our souls wants to restrict relationship with Him, rules and policies that eliminate possible means of communication would fit his agenda.
Hearing from Him is not something that you can force, not something that you can require.
It is something that happens best if one is open to it.
Most people are inadvertently open to hearing the whispers of the opposition, and assume that it is their own thoughts. But then they deny Yah’s voice, because they don’t believe that He would talk to them that way.
I hardly ever have words or a sentence come to me, mostly just concepts that are suddenly in my head.
But I did have a sentence drop into my head when I was giving Ali a ride home and it changed our lives. We had never dated, but we talked it out that night and ended with Now that we we are going to be married, would you like to go out on a date?
Did our Creator design this world and then Adam just so that He could have some pets to amuse Him? Kinda like having an anthill behind a glass window?
What did Yah do with Adam? We are not specifically told, but when Adam and Eve heard the voice of the Lord and hid themselves, it would seem that He wasn’t interacting with them as His infinite self, but as a being that was more limited.
They didn’t seem to be freaked out by His showing up that way, just by their own condition.
It seems reasonable to believe that He was friends with them and interacted with them as a friend would.
Ok, they sinned and messed up that relationship. Did Yah never want interaction with humans on a personal basis from then on? That’s the question that has to be answered by each of us.
If you are just some kind of pet for Him to be amused by, then live your life by whatever rules you choose to believe are for you in His Book, but relationship isn’t part of the picture.
If you were created for a relationship with Him, how are you going to communicate? He is Spirit, He has no lungs nor voice box to naturally create the sound waves that our ears receive. He can create sound waves all day long, if He chooses. But why choose to believe that that is the only way that He wants to communicate?
As @Verifyveritas76 said, it’s all semantics trying to prove how He communicates with us, but the deeper question is does He want communication/relationship with us?
If He doesn’t, then none of this matters.
If He does, then why not allow Him to speak to us as a spirit being would speak? Spirit to spirit. In our heads/spirit, however that works. Don’t limit Him by rules that seem natural.
The enemy of our souls wants to restrict relationship with Him, rules and policies that eliminate possible means of communication would fit his agenda.
Hearing from Him is not something that you can force, not something that you can require.
It is something that happens best if one is open to it.
Most people are inadvertently open to hearing the whispers of the opposition, and assume that it is their own thoughts. But then they deny Yah’s voice, because they don’t believe that He would talk to them that way.
I hardly ever have words or a sentence come to me, mostly just concepts that are suddenly in my head.
But I did have a sentence drop into my head when I was giving Ali a ride home and it changed our lives. We had never dated, but we talked it out that night and ended with Now that we we are going to be married, would you like to go out on a date?
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