What two statements are you asking of?
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Be fruitful and multiply...a general command ?
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some parts of the medical community are starting to learn that there is, in fact, a Law Of Unintended Consequences.
when man, in all of his wisdom, starts messing with the way we were created and intended to operate things can go wrong
women who got abortions, which is billed as a harmless procedure, are finding a much higher incidence of cancer
womem who bore children w/out breastfeeding are having a much higher rate of breast cancer
men who had vasectomys are having more health problems
we cannot always impose our will on His creation with impunity, our doctors do not have the full understanding that they would lead us to believe that they have. trust them at your peril
when man, in all of his wisdom, starts messing with the way we were created and intended to operate things can go wrong
women who got abortions, which is billed as a harmless procedure, are finding a much higher incidence of cancer
womem who bore children w/out breastfeeding are having a much higher rate of breast cancer
men who had vasectomys are having more health problems
we cannot always impose our will on His creation with impunity, our doctors do not have the full understanding that they would lead us to believe that they have. trust them at your peril
Classic Christian quote which could be used to justify birth control and a range of other interventions. When people want to support a lifestyle decision, they can really come up with some elaborate theological and philosophical support for it.
Anway, from my viewpoint it is certainly possible to be a Christian and not have children. They are not compulsory or a ticket to heaven. What I think is abnormal is when you have a Christian married couple, living in some of the wealthiest countries of the world, in historically the most materially prosperous time ever, and they deliberately prevent normal biological processes from happening. Sometimes even with abortifacent means. For what end or kingdom purposes?
It is normal for a couple to get married and have relations and children to appear as the fruit of it.
This is a great issue where christians could choose to stand apart from the world rather than going with the flow.
ylop
ps I read Mary Pride's book "The Way Home" when I was 16, and that settled the issue of birth control for me then and there. I did not know anyone else anywhere at that time that also shared that view, apart from the author. I have only heard of quiverfull in the last few years thanks to the internet.
@steve
Before I write you an essay concerning the subject of procreation, I want to be clear on what you are presenting here.
Are you saying that ‘be fruitful and multiply’ is a specific command given to every man and if every man does not have as many children as possible he is in sin?
Are you saying that all forms of family planning are sin (ie birth control and tracking ovulating cycles)?
Are you saying that if a man is sterile or a woman barren they are forbidden the benefits and advancements of medical science?
Before I write you an essay concerning the subject of procreation, I want to be clear on what you are presenting here.
Are you saying that ‘be fruitful and multiply’ is a specific command given to every man and if every man does not have as many children as possible he is in sin?
Are you saying that all forms of family planning are sin (ie birth control and tracking ovulating cycles)?
Are you saying that if a man is sterile or a woman barren they are forbidden the benefits and advancements of medical science?
Dr C.V. Raegean said:
Would it be a sin for someone to hand out gospel tracks and then put a little note on each track saying "please do not accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior, I just enjoy handing out gospel tracks for fun and pleasure but I do not want anyone to actually be saved (for church attendance might increase resulting in budget problems at my local church and the inconvenience of spending time dealing with disciples which would distract me from all the pleasures of handing out gospel tracks all the time while ignoring people's needs) so I am using the note on this track not to accept Jesus as Lord and Savior for "salvation control" in order to separate the pleasurable aspects of handing out gospel tracks from the salvation aspects."?
i sincerely do want to thank you for giving me the chance to answer those questions. i did not realize that people might see that in my posts.Dr C.V. Raegean said:
raising a glass (jug, actually. i am parked in el paso and it just hit 100 inside the truck) of water to Better Communication
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Scarecrow said:
How about adopting one of the thousands of older children that are languishing in the foster care system ??? My daughter came from the foster care system.
Surrogacy is extremely expensive ($ 25,000 to $45,000) and there is no guarantee that the surrogate will hand the baby over to you, as in many states a surrogacy contract does not hold up in court.
Blessings,
Fairlight
Fairlight,
I would love to adopt. But I am concerned about the home study and background checks eliminating me because of our polygamous relationship. If I didn't have that blocking me I would be sitting on the door right now. My dream has been to foster/adopt siblings in order to keep them together rather than splitting them up in the system.
SweetLissa
I would love to adopt. But I am concerned about the home study and background checks eliminating me because of our polygamous relationship. If I didn't have that blocking me I would be sitting on the door right now. My dream has been to foster/adopt siblings in order to keep them together rather than splitting them up in the system.
SweetLissa
sweetlissa said:
If you were "married" to another woman with no husband I bet they would let you adopt because we must be tolerant and not discriminate against sexual orientations, which like skin color can not naturally be changed sort of some sort of medical intervention because we can not choose our behavior, but through pyschology our behavior can be chosen just as through medicine our gender and ethnic ancestry can be chosen. Of course there is no difference between men and women so if you get a fourth person, you can pretend you are two married couples having extramarital affairs. And extra-marital affairs are fine, just as long as you are not actually married to one of the people you are having extra-marital affairs with.
I am being sarcastic, just in case anyone tries to misquote me in the future into actually believing the things that have been said.
sweetlissa said:
Tell them that your husband is married to one of the woman and that the other one is his girlfriend they will be cool with it because it is viewed as adultery instead of polygyny.
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DiscussingTheTopic said:
No, they wouldn't be cool with it !
Adoption agencies love happily married monogamous couples with no extra-curricular partners. Same sex couples are now allowed to adopt, which is a travesty, but even they need to be in stable relationships (no extra partners). Singles can also adopt but they, too, need to be stable individuals.
Lissa is correct. No agency would approve a polygynous family to adopt...at least not yet.
Blessings,
Fairlight
Fairlight said:
Doesn't that mean that adoption agencies discriminate against "sexual orientation"
What if you are a stable single person, renting a living space from a married couple?
You are legally single, since they will not grant you a marriage license.
Only do this if there is a way to describe yourself as single without lying.
There is no way to do it without lying. They ask very prying questions. It would not be possible to answer the questions without being dishonest and that would be a horrible witness to anyone.
SweetLissa
SweetLissa
Here is a thought. Give your husband a wife that can have a baby.
I think there is Biblical precedent for that in Sarah, Rachel, and Leah.
I think there is Biblical precedent for that in Sarah, Rachel, and Leah.
NeoPatriarch said:
Yes that is a really good idea, I assumed they already were able to have children or already had children, but wanted to adopt children specifically to get the children that are already there out of the adoption system, not because they were unable to have children.
Historically accurate stories generally are not a good way to determine morality in my opinion, so my next two sentences may be irrelevant. But I do remember there being conflicts when that happened. So remember when the other woman gets pregnant to be thankful not fighting.