10 Tribes

[Man_in_the_Middle]

almost right away, I see a verse that means the Romans...

G1484 = Ethnos

Mat 20:19 And shall deliver him to the Gentiles G1484 to mock, and to scourge, and to crucify him: and the third day he shall rise again.

 

[Joleneakamama]

almost right away, I see a verse that means the Romans...

G1484 = Ethnos

Mat 20:19 And shall deliver him to the Gentiles G1484 to mock, and to scourge, and to crucify him: and the third day he shall rise again.

It is where we get the term Ethnicity from and basically can be used of ANY 'family of the earth"

Context is really the ONLY way to interpret or understand this.

 

[Mark C]

There are probably the better part of a dozen specific references to the "Ten Lost Tribes" in Scripture. Often referred to as Israel, after the split at the time of Solomon's two sons, and the northern kingdom, they are very often also called after their primary line of kings, Ephraim. Also the "lost sheep," Samaria, 'Ahola' by the prophet, one of the two sticks, and at least a few specific references to cities or other regions...

 

[Man_in_the_Middle]

Mat 24:7 For nation G1484 shall rise against nation G1484 , and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
Mat 24:8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
Mat 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations G1484 for my name's sake.



Here in verse 7 we see Ethnos appears to mean ethnicity... In verse 9 it appears to mean nations...

 

[Asforme&myhouse]

Mat 24:7 For nation G1484 shall rise against nation G1484 , and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
Mat 24:8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
Mat 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations G1484 for my name's sake.



Here in verse 7 we see Ethnos appears to mean ethnicity... In verse 9 it appears to mean nations...

So then Ethnos can mean what most Christians think of when they read the word Gentile? As in, people not genetically related to Abraham?

 

[Man_in_the_Middle]

So then Ethnos can mean what most Christians think of when they read the word Gentile? As in, people not genetically related to Abraham?

Can mean that at times, yes. Always? No. Context is still king!

Here is one that I believe does mean exactly Non-Israelite Nations...

Gal_3:8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen G1484 through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations G1484 be blessed.

Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

No longer a Gentile or a Jew but, grafted into Israel....

This is the Grafting into the green olive tree that Paul spoke of...

 

[Asforme&myhouse]

What does this passage mean?

“These twelve Jesus sent out and commanded them, saying: "Do not go into the way of the Gentiles [ethnos], and do not enter a city of the Samaritans. [6] But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” Matthew 10:5-6 NKJV

What is Jesus saying in this passage? It seems like he is saying, DO NOT GO to the northern 10 tribes, but instead DO GO to the northern 10 tribes.

 

[OttoM]

What does this passage mean?

“These twelve Jesus sent out and commanded them, saying: "Do not go into the way of the Gentiles [ethnos], and do not enter a city of the Samaritans. [6] But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” Matthew 10:5-6 NKJV

What is Jesus saying in this passage? It seems like he is saying, DO NOT GO to the northern 10 tribes, but instead DO GO to the northern 10 tribes.

Romans 1:16
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek.

There were Jews that were lost as well. So they were the first to receive the Word. This was also before the crucification, and before he rose. But after he rose:

Matthew 28:18-19
18 Jesus came and told his disciples, “I have been given all authority in heaven and on earth. 19 Therefore, go and make disciples of all the nations/gentiles (ethnos).

Some of them thought now is the time for the restoration of the Kingdom of Israel.

Acts 1:6-8
6 Therefore, when they had come together, they asked Him, saying, “Lord, will You at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?” 7And He said to them, “It is not for you to know times or seasons which the Father has put in His own authority. 8 But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be witnesses to Me in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.”

That's what they did. First to the lost sheep of the house of Israel among the Jews, and then to the rest.

 

[Asforme&myhouse]

That's what they did. First to the lost sheep of the house of Israel among the Jews, and then to the rest.

The rest of what?

 

[OttoM]

The rest of what?

To all of the people from the other nations. Many of which have long forgotten their identity, and have assimilated with the customs of the nations. And remember - the Northern Kingdom (10 lost tribes) were given a certificate of divorce, and exiled through Assyrian captivity. From the time Yahushua the Messiah showed up - and when the certificate was given - many hundreds of years has past. So they would of mixed with the other nations through inter-marriage.

So to anyone that the Father in Heaven draws near.

Jeremiah 16:16
But now I am sending for many fishermen who will catch them,” says the LORD. “I am sending for hunters who will hunt them

Matthew 4:19
“Come, follow Me,” Jesus said, “and I will make you fishers of men.”

Acts 11:12
The Holy Spirit told me to go with them and not to worry that they were Gentiles.

Acts 10:34-35
Then Peter replied, “I see very clearly that God shows no favoritism. 35 In every nation he accepts those who fear him and do what is right.

Acts 11:18
When the others heard this, they stopped objecting and began praising God. They said, “We can see that God has also given the Gentiles the privilege of repenting of their sins and receiving eternal life.”

 

[Raphael 777]

They are the people who fit Deut 28:45-46, the Igbo, Lemba, etc., and there relatives taken in the trans Atlantic slave trade.

 

[Joleneakamama]

What does this passage mean?

“These twelve Jesus sent out and commanded them, saying: "Do not go into the way of the Gentiles [ethnos], and do not enter a city of the Samaritans. [6] But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” Matthew 10:5-6 NKJV

What is Jesus saying in this passage? It seems like he is saying, DO NOT GO to the northern 10 tribes, but instead DO GO to the northern 10 tribes.

If you follow the history, after Samaria was taken captive the removed the Israelites from there and moved Assyrian people in. These were rank idolaters, and it sats that YHWH sent lions as I recall that were eating the people. The priests told the king that their people (the Assyrians) did not know how to please the God of the land and so priests were put back into the cities to teach the current (non Israel) Samaritans how to keep the law. This is why the Samaritans were looked down on by Judah, they were "heathen goy" (a mass of people of another family of the earth).
The people living at that time knew where the "lost" (put away and punished) House of Israel went. When Yeshua said "Where I am going yiu cannit come" some said "Will he go to the dispersed among the Greeks and teach the Greeks?"

So He was telling them to prioritize taking the news to the children of Israel....those specific Gentiles, (the multidude of Nations that Jacob/Israel prophesied would come wsy back when he blessed Ephraim).....NOT the Assyrian Samaritans.

 

[Asforme&myhouse]

So He was telling them to prioritize taking the news to the children of Israel....those specific Gentiles, (the multidude of Nations that Jacob/Israel prophesied would come wsy back when he blessed Ephraim).....NOT the Assyrian Samaritans.

What do you mean when you say, prioritize taking the news to the children of Israel? Do you mean prioritize, as in, take it to the Hebrews first and then to non Hebrews also, or do you mean prioritize, as in take it to Hebrews only?

 

[Mark C]

If you follow the history, after Samaria was taken captive the removed the Israelites from there and moved Assyrian people in. These were rank idolaters...

So He was telling them to prioritize taking the news to the children of Israel....those specific Gentiles, (the multidude of Nations that Jacob/Israel prophesied would come wsy back when he blessed Ephraim).....NOT the Assyrian Samaritans.

Excellent. Which I hope helps bring home the point. The capitalized word "Gentiles" has not only a 'nation' or 'other' connotation, but often - not always - should convey an understanding that such people were pagans. They did NOT worship YHVH as He wanted to be worshiped.

Many - not all - had forgotten their identity as Sons of Israel.

Others can be 'grafted in.'

Ultimately, Yahushua came for ALL - but it is still, today, a work-in-progress, not yet complete by any means.

 

[frederick]

I've read through this thread but can't follow the different reasonings involved. James wrote his epistle to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad (James 1:1). If there are ten tribes lost and scattered, why does he address this epistle to twelve? Cheers

 

[Mark C]

I've read through this thread but can't follow the different reasonings involved. James wrote his epistle to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad (James 1:1). If there are ten tribes lost and scattered, why does he address this epistle to twelve? Cheers

Easy...BOTH whoring kingdoms, Aholah and Aholobah, were "shalach"-ed out of the Land - exiled. And still are. That's the "Ten Northern Tribes" (the Lost Tribes) and Benjamin and Judah, in the south. (Levites were already all over the Land.)

Read both Jeremiah 3 and Ezekiel 23. They were warned, and YHVH did as He said He would. (Deuteronomy 30, following the 'blessings and curses' warnings of the two preceding chapters, has the same prophecy.)

PS> YHVH seemed to think Judah would have been able to figure it out, and "return to" Him:

And I said after she had done all these things, Turn thou unto me. But she returned not. And her treacherous sister Judah saw it.

And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.

And it came to pass through the lightness of her whoredom, that she defiled the land, and committed adultery with stones and with stocks.

And yet for all this her treacherous sister Judah hath not turned unto me with her whole heart, but feignedly, saith YHVH.

So ALL of them, both whoring houses/wives STILL remain in exile. (YermeYahu/Jeremiah 3:7-10)

 

[The Revolting Man]

I do not so quickly claim that all references to “ethnos” means the 10 tribes... Ethnos is mentioned 164 times. I would look at every single reference before I would make that claim. To date, I do not recall having done that. Context is always going to be key to the meaning....

It is the word used when God tells Abram he will be the father of many “ethnos” and then renames him Abraham.

 

[OttoM]

I've read through this thread but can't follow the different reasonings involved. James wrote his epistle to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad (James 1:1). If there are ten tribes lost and scattered, why does he address this epistle to twelve? Cheers

Both kingdoms - the northern (ten tribes) and southern (Judea) - are currently in exile. Both are indeed scattered among the nations.

You might say, “What about the Jews and the nation state of Israel?” There were Jews in the 1800’s and early 1900’s that opposed the establishment of the nation state of Israel; just like there are Jews today. Their reasoning is based on the prophets. The re-gathering of the lost sheep of Israel will not be done by human intervention. The return of the exiles will be done by the Messiah. He will return the people from all the tribes - including the people grafted in. The Messiah will establish his ruler ship on the earth (every knee will bow on earth), and there will be a return back to Torah.

Many of the Jews, however, missed the Messiah. It doesn’t help that the Catholics have not only been hostile to the Jewish people, but they also changed who Yahushua (Jesus) the Messiah is - into someone according to their own image. But Scripture says he is the Word made flesh. The same yesterday, today, and tomorrow. Does not change. So when the Jews learn about “Jesus” - ofc they think to themselves - he can’t possibly be the Messiah - and they are right. Nothing new under the sun - even in ancient Israel these two kingdoms were divided and experienced bloodshed between themselves.

Luke 1:33 - He will rule over the “House of Jacob” and his Kingdom will have no end. House of Jacob implies the full 12 tribes and the Levites. So there must be a re-gathering first - the “greater exodus.”

Ezekiel 36:24
For I will take you from among the nations, gather you out of all countries, and bring you into your own land

 

[Joleneakamama]

I've read through this thread but can't follow the different reasonings involved. James wrote his epistle to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad (James 1:1). If there are ten tribes lost and scattered, why does he address this epistle to twelve? Cheers

Because a large portion of the house of Judah ALSO went with the ten tribes to Assyria.

 

[OttoM]

Isaiah 11:10-11
In that day the heir to David’s throne will be a banner of salvation to all the world. The nations will rally to him, and the land where he lives will be a glorious place. 11 In that day the LORD will reach out his hand a second time to bring back the remnant of his people.


Verse 12
12 He will raise a flag among the nations and assemble the exiles of Israel. He will gather the scattered people of Judah from the ends of the earth.

Verse 13
13 Then at last the jealousy between Ephraim and Judah will end. They will not be rivals anymore.