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wadda ya think?

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kmeltonlnc

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I read an article today that got me thinking about Isaiah 4.

This is the long way around so stay with me:
The article was about the real threat that if Iran acquires a nuclear devise, their mission is not to actually bomb us, but to use an EMP to, in a single hour, (sound Scriptural?) bring down the west and in particular America by disrupting over 70% of our power grid and 100% of our communications abilities.
I was once a feminist. Eventually I began to reconsider, not from any study in patriarch or anything, just from reasonable and logical thought. My conclusion became that feminism is a luxury allowed by civilization when men ( not mankind, but males) decide to allow it. It has to be enforced by the strength and will of men, or it doesn’t exist at all. In parts of the world to this day where men do not allow it to exist, it does not. And in this society, when it goes to hell in a handbasket, and I do believe this is coming, feminism will be obsolete here. With a great number of our liberated and independent women now being single or divorced and single motherhood being so rampant, we have many women with no male protection. Without a man to protect her from the whims and desires of other men, she and her children are suddenly and very really in danger from evil men as she has never been before. Godly men will be most desirable, because they are more likely to treat her better then an ungodly one. Therefore it may not be a case of not enough men from some coming war that destroys a great number of the male population, just too many unprotected women in a hurry.

Wadda ya think?
 
Men dropped the ball on patriarchy, thereby permitting feminism, for their own ends. Feminism has freed men from many of their responsibilities and of demands on their resources. So I guess i sort of agree with you on that point even if my take is a little different.

I would hesitate to suggest that Iran had any desire to attack the US. The whole debacle is sounding like another "Iraq has WMD's!!!!" style of fairy tale. Muslims actually have a pretty good track record when it comes to taking proper care of women...OK so the suicide bombers in the radical sects and the unfortunate association of the worlds most hated men claiming to be one give it a bad rap but Christianity is probably closer to Islam in values and goals than it is to Judaism.
 
Not really talking about Islam per se. But the Iranian regime has stated that, in the words of their president, the goal of his country is to usher in the twelfth imam which can only be done through worldwide chaos and the destruction of isreal which is being hampered by the USA. The report I am talking about was done by a us commission to explore our risk for emp attack which turns out to be cheaper than nuclear war without leaving the enemy the opportunity for retaliation. Could be one of the reasons the good ole USA is conspicuously absent from end time prophecies. We just suddenly stop being an issue.
 
Maybe the USA is talked about in the end times. We have Babylon which has to fall or be destroyed. The way I see it God will do away with the USA because her sins reach heaven. Yellowstone has the biggest volcano in the world. When this blows it is the end of the USA, therefore the smoke will rise till Jesus comes back. This volcano is already showing signs of life.


Dairyfarmer
 
...but Christianity is probably closer to Islam in values and goals than it is to Judaism.
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Wow. That's quite a statement. My first reaction, Melanie, was a bit akin to Paul's answer to the question "shall we sin more that grace might abound?"

God forbid!

But it dawns on me that your statement is true, undoubtedly more so than any of us might like. It is, of course, also exactly as our Savior said: "By your traditions" such 'Christianity' has made the "commandments of God" of no effect.

Polygyny is only one of the most obvious examples.


The goal should be as Joshua/Yahoshua outlined it:
"...as for me and my house...we will serve YHVH."


Blessings in Him,

Mark

And, since I realize I might have left some doubt...
I agree very much, kmeltonlnc. That "reproach" is not only the 'spirit of Jezebel', but the knowledge that "friendship with the world is enmity with God", and that the attempt to put anything before Him is, ultimately, service to the Adversary.
 
yes, DF, if we are end times Babylon, the same applies. That means an emp could be judgement in one hour, because a loss of 70% of our powere grid for the several months expected from emp attack was forcasted by the commission to cause up to 10,0000 dead in the us, and the total meltdown of government and all governmental services, causeing unmarried women to be at risk from lawless, evil men.
 
I don't doubt that Amerika has become Babylon, DF. I can't help but think of a line that I've heard attributed to Billy Graham on that subject: (I've been told a do a decent impression live, but imagination of the voice will have to do here. ;) )

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If the Lord God in heaven does not JUDGE the United States of America,
He will owe a sincere apology to Sodom and Gomorrah!
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Folks,

I will add my two cents worth. The USA and its allies ARE modern day Babylon. That is why the United States occupies Iraq - geographic Babylon - it is part of Gods plan. That way all the end-time prophetic scriptures that refer to Babylon thus refer to the USA, (and its allies). The concept that the United States is not in prophecy is a popular one, but like the pre-trib rapture idea, it is incorrect. Even George Washington had an open vision of these end-time events. Though the United States will be nearly overcome, they will rise out of the ashes at the return of Christ.

As for the emp, this is also in the plan for China. China shot down one of their space satellites a number of months ago. There was much speculation as to why they did that. I believe the answer is that they wanted to confirm that they could. That way they proved they could take out the satellite system of the United States by some estimates in about 3 hours and there is really nothing that the USA can do about it. If that were to be combined with an emp, as some have speculated that China has in the works, the United States would be severely crippled. Then the land invasion that George Washington saw in his vision will be a cakewalk for a combined army from several countries with the backing of China. Modern prophets have also seen this event. I believe based on what God has shown me that this attack is not too many months away. Iran may join in, but China will be the main military power. That is one of the reasons that God had us move from America to South Africa. China is the dragon in the book of Revelation. The dragon, (China) will give the Antichrist his power. This implies that the Chinese military will be the main one to back him, though it will be a large force from several continental allies, including Africa. There is no way in the natural that one can prepare for such an event. Only God can give supernatural protection for His people who remain in harms way. That is the purpose of the book that God had me write, to help people understand these issues and get ready. For those who cannot leave the United States now, they can at least get ready spiritually, so that they may be counted worthy to escape later, (Luke 21:36). This is the message of the book that God had me write and is available to all for free download at http://www.perfectchristian.110mb.com or http://perfectchristian.hostrator.com.

As for the super volcano in Yellowstone, this may well be part of the Day of the Lord, which follows on the heels of the great tribulation. The great tribulation is the culmination of the fifth seal which is already open, (Revelation 6:9-11). The earth quake and eruption of the super volcano, (Yellowstone or one or more of the dozen or so others around the world) that will blot out the sun, moon and stars causing a worldwide volcanic winter for 3-5 years is the beginning of the sixth seal that comes immediately AFTER the great tribulation in which many Christians will die and be put in prison, (Matthew 24:29, Revelation 6:12-17 and 13:7-10). I believe that the great tribulation is at the door and will come when the United States is attacked in the near future. That is why people need to prepare.

As for how Isaiah 4:1 fits in, it will be, (as has been suggested here) that there are not many righteous men available. But, for the fullness of the prophecy it will be that there are so few men left from this World War III, (II Esdras 16:18-34). Either people embrace and operate in Christian polygyny or it will be forced on them.

Very interesting thread. Thanks.

Be blessed,

Dr. Ray

BTW, God has given me a relative timeline for these things. He keeps updating things for me. When oil was $146 a barrel, He showed me that prices would come down and they have. He showed me just this week that the economy and prices, etc. will continue settle down for the next two months. This is so people will push their spiritual snooze button one more time and go back to sleep. After June, I believe all hell is going to break out around the planet. Things are going to get worse, not better. Sorry. :cry:
 
Melanie said:
Muslims actually have a pretty good track record when it comes to taking proper care of women...{quote]
every road has two ditches. the enemy is happy with us being in either ditch as long as we are not in the center that was designed for us.
yes, islam does protect its women, but i do not think that honour killing of rape victims (to state just one example) gives them any moral authority.
it seems to be more about control than protection.
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i agree. christianity and judaism teach that a good woman/wife is a treasure, and islam teaches that by their very nature, women are evil and here not to help man, but to lead him astray, and she must be subjugated because of her evil nature. therefore it is control, not protection,
 
true.
if only we could get christianity to truly treasure their women instead of treating them as partners. in my understanding if polygany was accepted it would create a higher value for women because every one of them would have many more opportunities and choices to pick from.

and yes, i think that the failure of the US is in our future and i think that poly is the start of clans that will survive. think of abrahams clan being a self-contained society ruled by a benevolent dictatorship. men, you must become the best that you can be so that you will be chosen as leader. when 7 women choose one man they will pass by all men with less of a reputation. men, if a prospective wife interviews your wife will she get a glowing report? what a safe and novel thing for a girl to find out how he acts after the honeymoon.

ok, i am off topic on the off topic thread. please forgive the detour
 
For every Muslim example you could give for not following ones faith properly i could show you a Christian one too.

I'm sure we all know christian groups that have distorted the bible to serve their own ends and do unchristian things in Gods name.
The same is true for Islam, just as it is true for Judaism, Hinduism (which also has been unfairly accused of mistreating women)
Maybe i do seem to harp on this point but i hate to see these misconceptions and prejudices flourishing, especially when we have to battle the same issue in regards to peoples beliefs about polygamy. Prejudice is ignorance and it makes people look stupid. ;)

We can't expect others to listen to us if we are not willing to look at all sides ourselves.
 
...Maybe i do seem to harp on this point but i hate to see these misconceptions and prejudices flourishing, especially when we have to battle the same issue in regards to peoples beliefs about polygamy. Prejudice is ignorance...
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But there is something that we must not lose sight of, Melanie -- especially if we claim to read and follow His Word for ourselves.

The Bible is very clear about marriage, whether or not those who claim to follow it are consistent in following His example. However, the Koran is a very different book. Those who read it for themselves, and follow it consistently AS WRITTEN, are led to very different behavior.

Blessings in the Name of the Elohim of Abraham, Isaac, and Yakov; Yah Who Saves,

Mark
 
also, other than judaism and compairing different christian denominations, i don't really think comparing christianity to any other religion is useful in any but an accademic sense. and christianity is not exactly a purely accademic or intellectual persute! yes everybody and every religion is intitled to an oppinion, but are not intitled to that opinion being correct. i really have no interest in how another religion chooses to treat its women, pigs, dogs, etc. it has no bearing on rightness. there is no other Name by which men can be saved. the opinions or actions of other religions concerning anything is by definition a lie from Satan, since it is not of God.
 
excellent, mark, but way too subtle methinks

i would put it this way; the word radical has come to mean the exact opposite in discussing christianity and islam.
a radical christian is one who embraces the whole bible and follows it fervently
a radical muslim is said to have hijacked his religion and is twisting the message that was given
if you study the whole koran instead of just selected verses you will find that the radicals are the true believers

Melanie said:
For every Muslim example you could give for not following ones faith properly i could show you a Christian one too.
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surely you jest.
if you honestly believe this lets pull out only the one example that i stated about honour killings of rape victims and discuss what would be the failure of christians that might be equal

Melanie said:
Prejudice is ignorance and it makes people look stupid. ;)
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ignorance leads to prejudice and does make one look incredibly stupid
 
Blood Libel

But, if we are not looking for bad actions of equal measure, and simply looking at people who do not properly act out what they believe there are probably many more false Christians than false Muslims. But in the end even true Muslims follow a false doctrine, Christianity is unique in that when it is truely followed it is actually true.
 
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