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Summer 2022 Family Retreat recap and post-retreat discussion

It was a great retreat, but despite Zec’s awesome interpretive Bible story,, I found the drama factor to be a quart low.
There’s nothing like a couple of rounds of squalling to add that authentic family experience.

Just kidding, it was truly great.
 
Jennifer and I swung through Gatlinburg, for a “short look around “ that cost me 300+ before I got out of there. Lol. Jennifer and I needed this so bad. It was the closest thing to organized worship that we have been a part of for years.
We found new friends and family and are excited to explore them all. It is strange ( not the correct word ) that the Lord gives you peace when, meeting new people that you are suppose to be around.
There was one surprise to us. No one had two heads. We were kinda counting on it “we wanted pictures” 😂. We felt and experienced Godly love, we both are looking forward to staying in contact with everyone and will do our level best to have a presence on Bibfam.
Thank you to the Bender family for all they do for us to make these retreats a reality
In his service Jack
 
This was the best retreat we've been too. They've all been good (sort of🤣), but like Steve said, little to no drama. You could feel Yah's presence. See how good and how pleasant it is for brothers to dwell together in unity –
Tehillim (Psalms) 133:1
 
Bria said:
I was so excited to know that I was real too! Alas, my identity as a real person still seems to be unconfirmed 😞 lol

On a side note I already miss the fellowship and meeting other real people haha
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I'm sure @nathan will eventually add in as a Real Person each woman or man who was a first-time retreat attendee!
 
NickF said:
I want everyone who has not gone to a retreat to know something. Nathan does not actually look like his profile photo. I for one was reassured @julieb did not actually marry a dog.
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LovesDogs said:
Well that's a disappointment!
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Too bad, right? Otherwise you could have suggested becoming wife #3 . . .

o_O
 
LovesDogs said:
I have a dumb question. If marriage isn't mentioned in the Bible then why are so many religious people against gay marriage?
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Spiritually: "Marriage" is the name we give to the wholesome, God-designed relationship between a man and a woman. Homosexuality on the other hand is a sin. "Gay marriage" puts this sin on the same level as the wholesome relationship God intended. It "calls evil good" (Isaiah 5:20), which is a serious matter.

Practically: "Marriage" is the name we give to the stable society-accepted partnership formed by a man and a woman, intended to provided stability and security for the children that most such relationships will produce (despite a few sadly being infertile). The whole practical point of it is around childbearing. "Gay marriage" is an intentionally sterile relationship with no practical purpose whatsoever - no children will result, so there is no need to form such a union to give them stability. They can have as much gay sex as they like whether or not they've got the label of "marriage", so why do they want the label? Only to confuse.

Incidentally, there are many homosexuals who disagree with gay marriage for reason 2. Most gays don't want marriage, only a few outspoken activists - wherever it is legalised only a tiny fraction of the gay population actually uses it, they simply aren't interested. This silent majority doesn't get the media attention though, because Satan's intention is to use gay marriage as a tool to tear apart the foundations of our society, anything that contradicts that goal doesn't get airtime.
 
FollowingHim said:
Spiritually: "Marriage" is the name we give to the wholesome, God-designed relationship between a man and a woman. Homosexuality on the other hand is a sin. "Gay marriage" puts this sin on the same level as the wholesome relationship God intended. It "calls evil good" (Isaiah 5:20), which is a serious matter.

Practically: "Marriage" is the name we give to the stable society-accepted partnership formed by a man and a woman, intended to provided stability and security for the children that most such relationships will produce (despite a few sadly being infertile). The whole practical point of it is around childbearing. "Gay marriage" is an intentionally sterile relationship with no practical purpose whatsoever - no children will result, so there is no need to form such a union to give them stability. They can have as much gay sex as they like whether or not they've got the label of "marriage", so why do they want the label? Only to confuse.

Incidentally, there are many homosexuals who disagree with gay marriage for reason 2. Most gays don't want marriage, only a few outspoken activists - wherever it is legalised only a tiny fraction of the gay population actually uses it, they simply aren't interested. This silent majority doesn't get the media attention though, because Satan's intention is to use gay marriage as a tool to tear apart the foundations of our society, anything that contradicts that goal doesn't get airtime.
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zakerly!
Satan counterfeits what is good and makes a cheap junk imitation that doesn't work as God intended.
 
PeteR said:
Speaking of beards....

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Can I say this? I hope no one minds [I toned it down a little]. I watched half the video and thought, "Geesh. Looks like some men spend way too much time in front of the mirror." My dad introduced me to the term, "Metrosexual", a few years ago. Big eye roll. That's what this beard style video reminds me of. Gag. Sorry, brothers, if this is you; I'm not trying to be offensive.
 
LovesDogs said:
I have a dumb question. If marriage isn't mentioned in the Bible then why are so many religious people against gay marriage?
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I think Zek oversold this idea. If our idea of marriage is what the scripture says, then yes marriage does exist. H2859 - ḥāṯan can mean coming under law with or marrying depending on what english we want to use. Ezra 9:14 is an easy example. Also this word Gamos is all over the NT and the included verb form gameos too. Just make sure your idea of marriage meets the scripture. We also know there was a wedding in Cana where water was turned to wine.

I realize this isnt a marriage thread but hey why not!




G1062 - gamos

G1062​

G1063 ››
‹‹ G1061
γάμος
Transliteration: gamos
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Pronunciation: gam'-os
Part of Speech: masculine noun
Root Word (Etymology): Of uncertain affinity
TDNT Reference: 1:648,111
Outline of Biblical Usage:
  1. a wedding or marriage festival, a wedding banquet, a wedding feast
  2. marriage, matrimony
KJV Translation Count: 16x
The KJV translates Strongs G1062 in the following manner: marriage (9x), wedding (7x).
Strong's Definitions: γάμος gámos, gam'-os; of uncertain affinity; nuptials:—marriage, wedding.

Thayer's Greek Lexicon​

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γάμος, -ου, ὁ, [probably from the root, gam, to bind, unite; Curtius, p. 546f], as in Greek writings from Homer down;
1. a wedding or marriage-festival: John 2:1; Revelation 19:7 (under the figure of a marriage here is represented the intimate and everlasting union of Christ, at his return from heaven, with his church); τὸ δεῖπνον τοῦ γάμου, Revelation 19:9 (a symbol of the future blessings of the Messiah's kingdom); especially a wedding-banquet, a marriage-feast: Matthew 22:8, 10 [here T WH Tr marginal reading νυμφών], Matthew 22:11, 12; plural (referring apparently to the several acts of feasting), Matthew 22:2ff, Matthew 22:9; Matthew 25:10; Luke 12:36; Luke 14:8 (cf. Winers Grammar, § 27, 3; Buttmann, 23 (21)).
2. marriage, matrimony: Hebrews 13:4.
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BLB Scripture Index of Thayer's​

Matthew22:2; 22:8; 22:9; 22:10; 22:11; 22:12; 25:10Luke12:36; 14:8John2:1Hebrews13:4Revelation19:7; 19:9
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Strong's Number G1062 matches the Greek γάμος (gamos),
which occurs 16 times in 16 verses in the TR Greek.
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Mat 22:2
'The reign of the heavens was likened to a man, a king, who made marriage-feasts for his son,
Mat 22:3
and he sent forth his servants to call those having been called to the marriage-feasts, and they were not willing to come.
Mat 22:4
'Again he sent forth other servants, saying, Say to those who have been called: Lo, my dinner I prepared, my oxen and the fatlings have been killed, and all things are ready, come ye to the marriage-feasts;
Mat 22:8
then saith he to his servants, The marriage-feast indeed is ready, and those called were not worthy,
Mat 22:9
be going, then, on to the cross-ways, and as many as ye may find, call ye to the marriage-feasts.
Mat 22:10
'And those servants, having gone forth to the ways, did gather all, as many as they found, both bad and good, and the marriage-feast apartment was filled with those reclining.
Mat 22:11
'And the king having come in to view those reclining, saw there a man not clothed with clothing of the marriage-feast,
Mat 22:12
and he saith to him, Comrade, how didst thou come in hither, not having clothing of the marriage-feast? and he was speechless.
Mat 25:10
'And while they are going away to buy, the bridegroom came, and those ready went in with him to the marriage-feasts, and the door was shut;
Luk 12:36
and ye like to men waiting for their lord, when he shall return out of the wedding feasts, that he having come and knocked, immediately they may open to him.
Luk 14:8
'When thou mayest be called by any one to marriage-feasts, thou mayest not recline on the first couch, lest a more honourable than thou may have been called by him,
Jhn 2:1
And the third day a marriage happened in Cana of Galilee, and the mother of Jesus was there,
Jhn 2:2
and also Jesus was called, and his disciples, to the marriage;
Heb 13:4
honourable is the marriage in all, and the bed undefiled, and whoremongers and adulterers God shall judge.
Rev 19:7
may we rejoice and exult, and give the glory to Him, because come did the marriage of the Lamb, and his wife did make herself ready;
Rev 19:9
And he saith to me, 'Write: Happy are they who to the supper of the marriage of the Lamb have been called;' and he saith to me, 'These are the true words of God;'
 
H2859 - ḥāṯan

H2859​

H2860 ››
‹‹ H2858
חָתַן
Transliteration: ḥāṯan
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Pronunciation: khaw-than'
Part of Speech: verb
Root Word (Etymology): A primitive root
TWOT Reference: 781b
Outline of Biblical Usage:
  1. to become a son-in-law, make oneself a daughter's husband
    1. (Qal) wife's father, wife's mother, father-in-law, mother-in-law (participle)
    2. (Hithpael) to make oneself a daughter's husband
KJV Translation Count: 33x
The KJV translates Strongs H2859 in the following manner: law (27x), affinity (3x), marriages (3x).
Strong's Definitions: חָתַן châthan, khaw-than'; a primitive root; to give (a daughter) away in marriage; hence (generally) to contract affinity by marriage:—join in affinity, father in law, make marriages, mother in law, son in law.

Brown-Driver-Briggs Lexicon​

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STRONGS H2859:
† חֹתֵן verbal noun.
1. masculine wife's father (Arabic خَاتِنً a circumciser, hence father-in-law, with reference to circumcision performed on young men just before marriage; خَتَنً relation on wife's side; see WeProl. 1886, 355 Anm, 1; Skizzen iii, 154 StaZAW 1886. 143 Aum. NöZMG 1886, 187; otherwise DlPr 91 LagBN 116) — construct חֹתֵן Exodus 18:1 + 9 times, חֹתֶנְךָ Exodus 18:6, חֹתְנוֺ Exodus 3:1 + 9 times; — usually of Moses' wife's father Exodus 3:1; Exodus 4:18; Exodus 18:1, 2, 5, 6, 7, 8, 12 (twice in verse); Exodus 18:14; Exodus 18:15; Exodus 18:17; Exodus 18:24; Exodus 18:27 (all E), Numbers 10:29 (J), Judges 1:16; Judges 4:11; of a Levite Judges 19:4, 7, 9.
2. feminine wife's mother, only suffix חֹתַנְתּוֺ Deuteronomy 27:23.
† II. חתן verb denominative only
Hithp. make oneself a daughter's husband (Late Hebrew Hithp. id., Aramaic Ithpa. id.) — Perfect 2nd person masculine plural וְהִתְחַתַּנְתֶּם consecutive Joshua 23:12; Imperfect וַיִּתְחַתֵּן 1 Kings 3:1; 2 Chronicles 18:1; 2nd person masculine תִּתְחַתֵּן Deuteronomy 7:3; 1 Samuel 18:21; Imperative הִתְחַתֵּן 1 Samuel 18:22, הִתְחַתְּנוּ Genesis 34:9; Infinitive הִתְחַתֵּן 1 Samuel 18:23 + 3 times; —
1. make oneself daughter's husband (son-in-law) to, with בְּ 1 Samuel 18:21, 22, 23, 26, 27; with אֶת 1 Kings 3:1; Genesis 34:9 (P); with לְ 2 Chronicles 18:1, of marriage of Jehoshaphat's son and Ahab's daughter (compare 2 Kings 8:18 2 Chronicles 21:6).
2. in general form marriage-alliance with, with בְּ Deuteronomy 7:3; Joshua 23:12 (D), Ezra 9:14.
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BLB Scripture Index of Brown-Driver-Briggs​

Genesis
34:9; 34:9
Exodus
3:1; 3:1; 4:18; 18:1; 18:1; 18:2; 18:5; 18:6; 18:6; 18:7; 18:8; 18:12; 18:14; 18:15; 18:17; 18:24; 18:27
Numbers
10:29
Deuteronomy
7:3; 7:3; 27:23
Joshua
23:12; 23:12
Judges
1:16; 4:11; 19:4; 19:7; 19:9
1 Samuel
18:21; 18:21; 18:22; 18:22; 18:23; 18:23; 18:26; 18:27
1 Kings
3:1; 3:1
2 Kings
8:18
2 Chronicles
18:1; 18:1; 21:6
Ezra
9:14
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Strong's Number H2859 matches the Hebrew חָתַן (ḥāṯan),
which occurs 33 times in 32 verses in the WLC Hebrew.

Gen 34:9
and join ye in marriage with us; your daughters ye give to us, and our daughters ye take to yourselves,
Exo 3:1
And Moses hath been feeding the flock of Jethro his father-in-law, priest of Midian, and he leadeth the flock behind the wilderness, and cometh in unto the mount of God, to Horeb;
Exo 4:18
And Moses goeth and turneth back unto Jethro his father-in-law, and saith to him, 'Let me go, I pray thee, and I turn back unto my brethren who are in Egypt, and I see whether they are yet alive.' And Jethro saith to Moses, 'Go in peace.'
Exo 18:1
And Jethro priest of Midian, father-in-law of Moses, heareth all that God hath done for Moses, and for Israel his people, that Jehovah hath brought out Israel from Egypt,
Exo 18:2
and Jethro, father-in-law of Moses, taketh Zipporah, wife of Moses, besides her parents,
Exo 18:5
And Jethro, father-in-law of Moses, cometh, and his sons, and his wife, unto Moses, unto the wilderness where he is encamping -- the mount of God;
Exo 18:6
and he saith unto Moses, 'I, thy father-in-law, Jethro, am coming unto thee, and thy wife, and her two sons with her.'
Exo 18:7
And Moses goeth out to meet his father-in-law, and boweth himself, and kisseth him, and they ask one at another of welfare, and come into the tent;
Exo 18:8
and Moses recounteth to his father-in-law all that Jehovah hath done to Pharaoh, and to the Egyptians, on account of Israel, all the travail which hath found them in the way, and Jehovah doth deliver them.
Exo 18:12
And Jethro, father-in-law of Moses, taketh a burnt-offering and sacrifices for God; and Aaron cometh in, and all the elders of Israel, to eat bread with the father-in-law of Moses, before God.
Exo 18:14
and the father-in-law of Moses seeth all that he is doing to the people, and saith, 'What is this thing which thou art doing to the people? wherefore art thou sitting by thyself, and all the people standing by thee from morning till evening?'
Exo 18:15
And Moses saith to his father-in-law, 'Because the people come unto me to seek God;
Exo 18:17
And the father-in-law of Moses saith unto him, 'The thing which thou art doing is not good;
Exo 18:24
And Moses hearkeneth to the voice of his father-in-law, and doth all that he said,
Exo 18:27
And Moses sendeth his father-in-law away, and he goeth away unto his own land.
Num 10:29
And Moses saith to Hobab son of Raguel the Midianite, father-in-law of Moses, 'We are journeying unto the place of which Jehovah hath said, I give it to you; go with us, and we have done good to thee; for Jehovah hath spoken good concerning Israel.'
Deu 7:3
'And thou dost not join in marriage with them; thy daughter thou dost not give to his son, and his daughter thou dost not take to thy son,
Deu 27:23
'Cursed is he who is lying with his mother-in-law, -- and all the people have said, Amen.
Jos 23:12
'But -- if ye at all turn back and have cleaved to the remnant of these nations, these who are left with you, and intermarried with them, and gone in to them, and they to you,
Jdg 1:16
And the sons of the Kenite, father-in-law of Moses, have gone up out of the city of palms with the sons of Judah to the wilderness of Judah, which is in the south of Arad, and they go and dwell with the people.
Jdg 4:11
And Heber the Kenite hath been separated from the Kenite, from the sons of Hobab father-in-law of Moses, and he stretcheth out his tent unto the oak in Zaanaim, which is by Kedesh.
Jdg 19:4
And keep hold on him doth his father-in-law, father of the young woman, and he abideth with him three days, and they eat and drink, and lodge there.
Jdg 19:7
And the man riseth to go, and his father-in-law presseth on him, and he turneth back and lodgeth there.
Jdg 19:9
And the man riseth to go, he and his concubine, and his young man, and his father-in-law, father of the young woman, saith to him, 'Lo, I pray thee, the day hath fallen toward evening, lodge all night, I pray thee; lo, the declining of the day! lodge here, and let thine heart be glad -- and ye have risen early to-morrow for your journey, and thou hast gone to thy tent.'
1Sa 18:21
and Saul saith, 'I give her to him, and she is to him for a snare, and the hand of the Philistines is on him;' and Saul saith unto David, 'By the second -- thou dost become my son-in-law to-day.'
1Sa 18:22
And Saul commandeth his servants, 'Speak unto David gently, saying, Lo, the king hath delighted in thee, and all his servants have loved thee, and now, be son-in-law to the king.'
1Sa 18:23
And the servants of Saul speak in the ears of David these words, and David saith, 'Is it a light thing in your eyes to be son-in-law to the king -- and I a poor man, and lightly esteemed?'
1Sa 18:26
And his servants declare to David these words, and the thing is right in the eyes of David, to be son-in-law to the king; and the days have not been full,
1Sa 18:27
and David riseth and goeth, he and his men, and smiteth among the Philistines two hundred men, and David bringeth in their foreskins, and they set them before the king, to be son-in-law to the king; and Saul giveth to him Michal his daughter for a wife.
1Ki 3:1
And Solomon joineth in marriage with Pharaoh king of Egypt, and taketh the daughter of Pharaoh, and bringeth her in unto the city of David, till he completeth to build his own house, and the house of Jehovah, and the wall of Jerusalem round about.
2Ch 18:1
And Jehoshaphat hath riches and honour in abundance, and joineth affinity to Ahab,
Ezr 9:14
do we turn back to break Thy commands, and to join ourselves in marriage with the people of these abominations? art not Thou angry against us -- even to consumption -- till there is no remnant and escaped part?
 
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