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Some Einstein sh..tuff, science discussion

You just said what I said. It's "Ohm's Law."

DC cannot be transmitted over long distances for that reason.

I use higher voltage solar panel (series) connections to save on copper wire even for runs of just dozens of FEET.
That is not exactly true. It can be transmitted, and there are countries in Europe that are experimenting with it. The higher the current though, the greater the power loss. Indeed when you daisy chain the panels, each panel increases the voltage drop, assuming they are all properly polarized. In AC, when the power reaches substations, the voltage is reduced because the windings on the source are greater than the windings output, IIRC, but the current also is increased in the process. The same thing happens at the transformer outside your home. Larger offices and industrial sites have their own transformers to get the right voltage levels for the equipment they are running. I don't believe they are using copper on high voltage power lines though!

The main issue with DC, is that getting the voltage to such a high level, is not possible through windings on a transformer. They have to daisy chain the DC voltage generators, much like you are doing with your solar panels. The other issue with DC voltage, is that the infrastructure in place has already been dedicated to AC power, as are virtually all existing appliances and equipment. Mobile devices OTOH are all DC based, and computers have to transform the power from AC to DC. Large appliances such as washers, dryers and AC units in addition to industrial equipment runs best on AC power because of the high voltage/current that they require and the fact that AC motors cannot switch the magnetism in the coils without some clock driven or brush driven circuitry, and there are rather large thyristors and other semiconductors involved in the switching to enable this to perform the switching with higher breakdown voltages. Brushless motors are used in server fans and computers, because they do not generate ozone, and because they last longer, whereas brushed motors appear in toys such as RC cars, which will likely get much less use than an every day appliance.

The main point I was making initially, was the Edison was right about the dangers of AC, because of the myriads of deaths we encounter when power lines break, and now that the infrastructure in place has been dedicated to AC, sharing excess DC power is much more complicated, since we have to have the conversion from DC over to AC at every point that DC power is generated, due to the dedication of the current infrastructure that is in place. When you generate DC power from your solar panels, either you need excess battery strorage capability, or you can "sell" the excess back to the power generating company, or else it will go to waste, in the form of supplying more voltage than your tools and appliances actually need to provide satisfactory power for your usage.

So without the expensive conversion equipment or additional batteries, that is lost power that you might have otherwise been able to use when there is less sunlight available. Even with the conversion equipment, there is still a tremendous loss of power, because the conversion has some lag or propagation delay, and just like if you had one of your solar panels oriented with the same polarity as its neighbors, the voltage drop you would see there is similar to what happens during intervals in the power conversion process. Remember that AC runs at approximately 60 Hz, so when you are near a power substation, you will hear what sounds like a low A# pitch (A is 55 Hz), as the magnetized rods vibrate at that rate. So if your equipment is off by a few microseconds, that delay will result in loss of power.
 
The big problem with DC, is high voltage generation for the purpose of transission. The electricity that runs through high voltage electric lines has very little current running through it. The high current is where the power loss occurs. By transforming the power from relatively low voltage, high current, to Very high voltage with low current, through the windings in the transformers, we can transmit the electricity long distances to the substations, which reduce the voltage and increase the current again through windings in the transformers, until it reaches industries, offices, commercial buildings, homes, churches, government buildings, etc. where various appliances, lighting fixtures, power hubs, etc. can reduce the voltage level to the level needed by those consumers. Transforming from high voltage to low voltage, is not so much of an issue. I experimented with a 47KΩ resistor, and inserted two tiny copper insulated wires into an outlet, using a diode for semi rectivication, and a medium sized capacitor, as a substitute for a 9V battery, and I was able to measure the results on one of those old Radio Shack 160 in one electronics kits. That's not the only stupid thing I did as a teenager, but at least I had the concept that 110 volts needed to have more resistance on the load to reduce the overall current, and the voltage drop across the resistor, was obviously much greater than the voltage drop across the remainder of the circuitry. I had not taken any physics courses at the time, but the concept of resistance had already been etched in my mind, from having toyed around with the kits that I had available.
Just so I can be a part of the conversation; I used to build high voltage transformers ( the only one who did at one of the only plants that built them in America) and high voltage transformers don’t have “windings” per se. They have long sheets of copper, paper and aluminum folded back over each other hundreds of times in a stacks that are then baked, subjected to an insane amount of vacuum and then submerged in a very stable but caustic (and stinky) oil.
 
Just so I can be a part of the conversation; I used to build high voltage transformers ( the only one who did at one of the only plants that built them in America) and high voltage transformers don’t have “windings” per se. They have long sheets of copper, paper and aluminum folded back over each other hundreds of times in a stacks that are then baked, subjected to an insane amount of vacuum and then submerged in a very stable but caustic (and stinky) oil.
Boy that sounds more like a huge capacitor than a transformer! If you can pull up any diagrams or cross cut photos, that would be a nice touch.
 
Boy that sounds more like a huge capacitor than a transformer! If you can pull up any diagrams or cross cut photos, that would be a nice touch.
I wasn’t any kind of a technical person. I built them and baked them and filled them, about 10-20 a week for a little over a year. They told me that they were high voltage transformers and that they were used somehow in the metering of electricity. I see them frequently in what I’ve always heard call “transfer stations”. They’re the tall things ones with all of the fins.
 
I wasn’t any kind of a technical person. I built them and baked them and filled them, about 10-20 a week for a little over a year. They told me that they were high voltage transformers and that they were used somehow in the metering of electricity. I see them frequently in what I’ve always heard call “transfer stations”. They’re the tall things ones with all of the fins.
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Interestingly enough, the article mentions cooling fans, so there is still some energy loss, in the form of being transferred from electrical energy to heat energy. Add some water and some turbines, and perhaps some of that loss could be recaptured!
 
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I am hearing more and more about the "wireless transmission of energy" and they don't necessarily mean electricity.

I suspect our world is going to deeply change in the next few years.

AI is here and a few years ago anyone who talked about it was treated like they were talking about UFO's.

Heck, UFO's are being discussed seriously as of this year.

Quantum computing is expected to go to market by 2029. Now imagine AI running over quantum computing. :oops:

Wireless transmission of energy would revolutionize everything that uses energy and especially transportation. Vehicles would not need batteries.
 
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Interestingly enough, the article mentions cooling fans, so there is still some energy loss, in the form of being transferred from electrical energy to heat energy. Add some water and some turbines, and perhaps some of that loss could be recaptured!
They’re not cooling fins, they’re actually designed to disrupt the flow of water off them so that a complete circuit can’t be formed during rain storms.
 
I am hearing more and more about the "wireless transmission of energy" and they don't necessarily mean electricity.

I suspect our world is going to deeply change in the next few years.

AI is here and a few years ago anyone who talked about it was treated like they were talking about UFO's.

Heck, UFO's are being discussed seriously as of this year.

Quantum computing is expected to go to market by 2029. Now imagine AI running over quantum computing. :oops:

Wireless transmission of energy would revolutionize everything that uses energy and especially transportation. Vehicles would not need batteries.
Well that was the ambition of Nikota Tesla, and it has been purported that the energy companies sabotaged his efforts. I have to wonder why we don't just use magnetism to literally pull and push vehicles like they do with Mag trains. Granted that would be expensive infrastructure. The Vehicle Battery system currently in use, is an evolution from the laptop and smart phone industry. The demand was there, for smaller batteries capable of storing more charge. There are in fact efforts underway to make these batteries last longer, to enable this form of energy to be economically sustainable. Then again, if fewer vehicles need gasoline, the price of oil drops, making it difficult for the EV fleet to compete against.
 
EV's are simply NOT, repeat NOT, 'competitive' in anything approaching a free market. Charging, distribution, batteries, even road use (via other tax breaks) have all been subsidized.

If people had to pay the actual cost of the batteries, or their replacement, or the 'environmental costs' - they'd never sell one.

But the real issue is charging infrastructure. The grid simply can't handle it - not by a factor of five.

The math says Big Brother doesn't one 'everyone' to have one. Take a guess what that means.
 
EV's are simply NOT, repeat NOT, 'competitive' in anything approaching a free market. Charging, distribution, batteries, even road use (via other tax breaks) have all been subsidized.

If people had to pay the actual cost of the batteries, or their replacement, or the 'environmental costs' - they'd never sell one.

But the real issue is charging infrastructure. The grid simply can't handle it - not by a factor of five.

The math says Big Brother doesn't one 'everyone' to have one. Take a guess what that means.
True, but with Elon deciding which cuts to make, I doubt the subsidies for EVs will go away any time soon. I am seeing employers who are trying to hire, to fill the need to solve the battery problems.
 
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