Mark 10:11

[The Revolting Man]

The only prohibition on a woman remarrying a man she divorced is if she left and married another

This is inaccurate. The man can always choose to forgive an adulterous woman and take her back, just like God can forgive us and take us back. It is only when the man rejects the woman and sends her away can he not take her back of she goes to another man.

 

[Man_in_the_Middle]

This is inaccurate. The man can always choose to forgive an adulterous woman and take her back, just like God can forgive us and take us back. It is only when the man rejects the woman and sends her away can he not take her back of she goes to another man.

Please reread my former statement. I was not addressing adultery. I was addressing a woman remarrying a man after they had been divorced.
When I stated it was a prohibition, I quoting scripture without actually citing it.

Try this -->

Deu 24:2 and if she left his house and went and became another man’s wife,
Deu 24:3 and the latter husband shall hate her and write her a certificate of divorce, and put it in her hand, and send her out of his house, or when the latter husband dies who took her to be his wife,
Deu 24:4 then her former husband who sent her away is not allowed to take her back to be his wife after she has been defiled, for that would be an abomination before יהוה. And do not bring sin on the land which יהוה your Elohim is giving you as an inheritance.

With careful reading, you will note that this tells us that a woman that had married again after a divorce to some other man, is no longer eligible to marry her former husband under any circumstances. For that would be an abomination before Yah.

 

[The Revolting Man]

Please reread my former statement. I was not addressing adultery. I was addressing a woman remarrying a man after they had been divorced.
When I stated it was a prohibition, I quoting scripture without actually citing it.

Try this -->

Deu 24:2 and if she left his house and went and became another man’s wife,
Deu 24:3 and the latter husband shall hate her and write her a certificate of divorce, and put it in her hand, and send her out of his house, or when the latter husband dies who took her to be his wife,
Deu 24:4 then her former husband who sent her away is not allowed to take her back to be his wife after she has been defiled, for that would be an abomination before יהוה. And do not bring sin on the land which יהוה your Elohim is giving you as an inheritance.

With careful reading, you will note that this tells us that a woman that had married again after a divorce to some other man, is no longer eligible to marry her former husband under any circumstances. For that would be an abomination before Yah.

Read verse 3 again. This set of circumstances is dependent on the man initiating the separation. Christ tells us specifically that a woman who leaves her husband is to return to him.

 

[steve]

Read verse 3 again. This set of circumstances is dependent on the man initiating the separation. Christ tells us specifically that a woman who leaves her husband is to return to him.

Hmmmm, I’m wondering where the actual abomination lies. I mean, it obviously lies with a husband who divorces her and remarried her after she has married another, but why?

If she abandoned her husband and remarries she still seems obligated to return.
Why is that not an abomination?
It’s a very curious thing, maybe we are reading something in that wasn’t intended.

 

[Mark C]

Hmmmm, I’m wondering where the actual abomination lies. I mean, it obviously lies with a husband who divorces her and remarried her after she has married another, but why?

He has annulled their covenant. "He bears her guilt."

We are, in fact, not told explicitly why. But I contend there is a clear reason: He has already made and then broken and then annulled that covenant.

If she abandoned her husband and remarries she still seems obligated to return.

Mostly correct. She "still has a living husband," if he has not given her a 'get.' She can NOT "re-marry" - she can only commit adultery.

Why is that not an abomination?
It’s a very curious thing, maybe we are reading something in that wasn’t intended.

Once the woman who has both been "put away," AND then "become another man's [isha]" (or 're-married') is again "free," by whichever mechanism, "she may NOT go" back to the man who has already shown himself incapable of maintaining covenant with her.


PS> I have discussed this in some detail in MP3s that are no longer allowed to be linked on BF for everyone to hear. Even though it's come up here probably dozens of times. Funny, anybody can link almost anything else, from memes to cat videos.

 

[Maddog]

Read verse 3 again. This set of circumstances is dependent on the man initiating the separation. Christ tells us specifically that a woman who leaves her husband is to return to him.

Agreed BUT! What if wife has relations with another man and her existing hubs did NOT give her the papers- Can first take her back as his wife after repentance? What if she is with child with lover? Whose wife is she then?

 

[Mark C]

Agreed BUT! What if wife has relations with another man and her existing hubs did NOT give her the papers- Can first take her back as his wife after repentance? What if she is with child with lover? Whose wife is she then?

She remains her living husband's wife so long as he does not revoke that. (He is NOT required to take her back, however, or give her a 'get', if she commits adultery.)

 

[Maddog]

She is still his even though she became the other mans wife thru sex?

 

[Mark C]

I'm not sure what you aren't following. If she committed adultery (which is any sex while she still has a "living husband," i.e., no get) then she did not 'become that other man's wife,' just by being unfaithful. She DID commit a sin worthy of death, and he has every right to "put her away," and NO obligation to give her a get ('divorce.')


The question is: what does the still-husband choose to do? (Numbers 5 was one option.)

 

[Maddog]

OK I go back to another thread where I was excoriated for saying that sex DOES NOT equal marriage. It either does or does not. I personally believe that a woman belongs to a man or does not. If she has made the agreement to be a man's woman then she is HIS woman. I purposely do not use the word "marriage" for a reason- God DID NOT! We in our late stage christianity label it as marriage for lack of a more acceptable word.
If married woman has sex with man other than hubby she still does not belong to the new man. Mark is right about adultery as a capital offense as one of the Ten Commandments. If she has been made free (death or divorce) then she is free. Absent those conditions she should return to hubby #1 IF he will take her back. Repentance and forgiveness is a good thing.

 

[The Revolting Man]

Hmmmm, I’m wondering where the actual abomination lies. I mean, it obviously lies with a husband who divorces her and remarried her after she has married another, but why?

If she abandoned her husband and remarries she still seems obligated to return.
Why is that not an abomination?
It’s a very curious thing, maybe we are reading something in that wasn’t intended.

Because a husband who abandons his wife controverts the nature of God he’s called to represent. A faithless husband is an abomination. It also stops a really transparent and sophomoric camouflage for prostitution.

 

[The Revolting Man]

What if wife has relations with another man and her existing hubs did NOT give her the papers- Can first take her back as his wife after repentance?

Yes.

What if she is with child with lover? Whose wife is she then?

Completely irrelevant.

 

[RonHiggins]

You’ll find two instances in the New Testament that Jesus/Iesus’ name is Joshua from the Old Testament. If you go into the Greek Septuagint - and check the book of Joshua - it’s actually called the book of Iesus (Jesus) in the Greek Old Testament.

John 5:43
I have come in my Father’s name, and you do not accept me; but if someone else comes in his own name, you will accept him

So what is Joshua’s name in the original Hebrew, and what does that name even mean?

It’s YAHUshua.
YAH (shortened name of the Father - check the KJV verse below) is Salvation (shua)

Therefore, he indeed came in his Father’s name (YAH), and most of the world indeed rejects him. How so? Because he is the Word made flesh. The Word of YAH. This forum knows better than most how they not only reject the written Word of YAH, but in some cases vehemently hate it. But that same crowd loves Jesus/Iesus.

Psalm 68:4 KJV
“Sing unto God, sing praises to his name: extol him that rideth upon the heavens by his name YAH, and rejoice before him.”

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[Mark C]

OK I go back to another thread where I was excoriated for saying that sex DOES NOT equal marriage. It either does or does not.

Not so.

I do not intend to reopen the 'consummation' argument.

BUT, just to bring home the point:

Sex with a sister does NOT equal marriage. Or with one's father's wife. Or any other "prohibited relationship" (Leviticus.) And that includes adultery.

Which is what is relevant here.

A woman who has both her own witness, and that of her then-FORMER husband, that she 'no longer has a living husband,' is eligible for remarriage.