You are conflating two separate things.
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How are they separate?
They are if they are telling people that God told them to do this or that.
A prophet is one who hears the word of God and speaks it. It doesn’t matter who it’s directed to.
When you tell someone else that God is saying something, even if it’s for you, that’s prophesying. It’s still speaking presumptuously, and it creates a situation where no one can question what you’re doing.
When you tell someone else that God is saying something, even if it’s for you, that’s prophesying. It’s still speaking presumptuously, and it creates a situation where no one can question what you’re doing.
Nah, but we are told if someone prophecys, to judge what is said. I see zero judging of prophecies in the church today. One does not have to be a cessationist to see that.
True. But, if the woman “God told him to marry” turns out to already be married (just an example) or what he said God told him turns out to be false, I will judge that he spoke presumptuously, and I will pay no attention to him the next time he claims God told him something.
Maybe we’ll meet someday, but at that point, you will have met someone who judges the integrity of the prophecies I’ve been given. Those prophecies I don’t see the validity of, I just put them on a back burner. When three people come to me with the same prophecy over a two day period and did not know the others had given a prophecy, then keep it in the front burner. But ya gotta use your God given brains and not jump at everything others tell you.
Totally agree with that.
Great point.... how many thought the prophets to be false because they proclaimed seeming impossibilities the Lord told them that did not happen in their lifetime?
Sounds a bit like modern rabbis who reject Yeshua because he prophesied things that have not yet happened. They declare him a 'false prophet'.... truth is that often time is the unaccounted for ingredient. ..
I ask for a second witness or patiently wait... the Father is the only true judge that can identify false prophets. If we aren't sure, we need to compare with Scripture and wait...
Even then be wary, over the past 3 months I've had 8 unconnected men come up to me with a word of prophesy that tickles my ears but I see glorifying me not the Lord. The adversary is counterfeiter. That goes for prophecy as well. Discernment and reliance on His word as the arbiter of truth.
"Walking by sight" biblically is contrasted with walking by faith. Modern English-speaking culture usually refers to "faith" as "faith in yourself" or some kind of general faith and confidence in what you think. According to Scripture he that trusteth his own heart is a fool, and also someone who puts their trust in the words of man. Basically believing what you or any other man believes is right just for the sake of believing them and for no other reason is putting your trust in them. Basing your perception of truth and morality on such trust is sin, and is cursed by God. It is the chief sin of the Catholic church and the Muslims as well.
It is perfectly fine to think that God has blessed you, and is helping you do something; it is fine to think that God worked something out, or wants you to do something, as long as you acknowledge that it is you yourself thinking that. When you say "God says" you have gone to a completely different level, yet this has almost become a figure of speech. Though I suppose most people, if you pursued the point, would not claim that they infallibly know what they think is true or that what they think is equal to Scripture, but like the example given in this thread some will in fact argue their own convictions against Scripture.
God guides us by his Spirit, but in the way he says he guides us: we cannot claim just anything as his guidance. Everything we do right we do by his power, but of course we do not always do right. In the same way all that we think rightly we think by his guidance, and it does not mean that we always think right.
"Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost." - I Corinthians 12:3
Thus someone who has exercised his senses by use to discern good and evil has more guidance from God, but this is simply another way of saying that he follows God's guidance more. In a disagreement, saying that one is following God's guidance is no more a reasonable argument than simply saying "I'm right", unless one is claiming to have some direct revelation, which must be backed by miracles.
The Father commanded us to judge false prophets and to try the spirits. One way he gives is of course to test if they contradict God. The other was if something they say does not come to pass: "When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him." - Deuteronomy 18:22
Obviously this is cannot be used for prophecies that have no specified time when they will be fulfilled. Most if not all the prophets as I recall gave or were asked for "signs that these things will come to pass", that is, they gave a soon or immediate miracle to prove that prophecies of a further or more undefined future time would come to pass. If there was a case where they didn't "confirm the word with signs following", they could not called a false prophet, but they could not be called a prophet either until their prophecy was proven one way or the other.
In any case Yeshua did more miracles to prove his inspiration than probably all the prophets combined, and the apostles may have done even more than he did as he told them that greater works would be done after he returned to the Father. Modern rabbis who reject Yeshua don't have a leg to stand on.
Maybe some do, but you’re simply making a straw man to represent me and my beliefs.
Sorry, I was not referring to you, but to modern English-speaking culture. The idea I'm wanting to express is that if there is something other than God's wisdom, and other than following his Word, and also other than direct revelation, I do not categorically see anything else other than instincts and impulses. If one says these can come from the Holy Spirit that is well enough as long as they do not equate it with direct revelation, but it remains one's own heart. To not follow one's heart is not "walking by sight", unless you adhere to the cultural misunderstanding of faith which I referred to.
To follow a nudge is fine and can be a blessing, but one should not be condemned (and should not condemn himself) for not following it. And of course it should not be followed if it contradicts godly wisdom or God's Word.