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Lesbians allowed in marriage?
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What's her explanation?
This was a very interesting discussion. It is a subject (yeh, dumb me) I had never considered. Now it makes me wonder what some of the women mean (on Biblical Polygamy) when they say they want to love their fellow wives. Hmmmmmmm? I had always assumed by love, they were talking about familial love. Now one wonders. How would one approach this situation with these women??? Not that any woman has answered my attempt. It must be I am ugly, or unkept, or... who knows. Maybe if I were to entice them by showing scanty photos of my other wife??? Noooooo, just joking.
That is the "likewise" Paul was referrencing that men do with men that according to scripture deserves DEATH!
What YHWH fearing man who knew that misusing a man that way was a death sentance, and VALUED CHILDREN, would misuse his wife that way?
This is why Paul was incredulous...."EVEN THEIR WOMEN!"
But, if you don't believe me...check out the article by Berean Patriot. It is linked here at Biblical Families in another thread....probably more then one. I am no Greek scholar, but my understanding based on the knowledge of others is it is perfectly clear in the Greek he wasn't talking about lesbians.
She outlines just a few posts above this one but her basic claim is that Romans 1:27 is forbidding exclusively having sex that precludes the possibility of conception. The natural use of the woman is to have children. Paul is comparing the abandonment of procreative sex to gay sex. That’s my paraphrase of @Joleneakamama ‘s stance. She may want to clarify it herself.
When Paul says "even their women", he is not placing women as passives who are merely accepting an act, but as agents of the action.
This assumes that Moses only forbade anal relations between men, but he forbade any kind of relations between men. The word he uses in Leviticus 20:13 is the plural miš-kə-ḇê (sleeping places or beds). He is referring to acts, more specifically, different sexual acts.
He is saying that a man should not do things to another man that he does to a woman.
And they probably weren't married, the word Paul uses is thēleiai, which means females. Saying "their females" is a way of referring to women from the same culture as these men.
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I would tend to agree with that statement.
The thing that I see here is that relations between the wives can bring them closer together and that means a more harmonious house for the husband. The point at which the relationship between the wives comes between the wives and their husband is where it becomes wrong. If it is a complement to the marriage then it is a positive thing for the family.
The concern that relations between the wives can interfere in the marriage is no more or less a concern than it is if a woman's relationship with her parents, friends, siblings, or etc. were to interfere in her relationship with her husband.
Granted, not everyone can do this. It is a matter of personal comfort and I appreciate this. I have my limits too.
Some of this follows from my long-held view that when I joined my family that my marriage to my husband was also in a great way a marriage to his other wives as well. Granted it is not the same yet it is a lot more than the other wives being mere friends I happen to live with. We share a husband.
I sometimes have complex ideas that are difficult to articulate but I will try here:
Being intimate with my sisters made it a heck of a lot easier to take care of them when they're sick, giving birth, it makes it no big deal to breast feed their babies or have them feed mine, it's easier to help them dress and vice versa, it's also a lot easier to discuss marital subjects (sex) because you've already been close.
Just me, but this paradigm has also made me more guarded of my personal space and my modesty when I'm with people who are outside of our circle of intimacy.
The concern that relations between the wives can interfere in the marriage is no more or less a concern than it is if a woman's relationship with her parents, friends, siblings, or etc. were to interfere in her relationship with her husband.
Granted, not everyone can do this. It is a matter of personal comfort and I appreciate this. I have my limits too.
Some of this follows from my long-held view that when I joined my family that my marriage to my husband was also in a great way a marriage to his other wives as well. Granted it is not the same yet it is a lot more than the other wives being mere friends I happen to live with. We share a husband.
I sometimes have complex ideas that are difficult to articulate but I will try here:
Being intimate with my sisters made it a heck of a lot easier to take care of them when they're sick, giving birth, it makes it no big deal to breast feed their babies or have them feed mine, it's easier to help them dress and vice versa, it's also a lot easier to discuss marital subjects (sex) because you've already been close.
Just me, but this paradigm has also made me more guarded of my personal space and my modesty when I'm with people who are outside of our circle of intimacy.
Well said, @MeganC I agree with everything you just said. It can add to a harmonious and happy home, with little to no contention between the wives.
LOL, I didn't say that! BUT I will say it's hard to be angry at someone who gets up at 2am and changes the diaper on your infant and feeds him so you can get in some sleep.
It is definitely less contention but there's still stuff. Upside for me is I'm freak of nature tall and most of my stuff doesn't fit anyone else so arguing about clothes never affects me. But I see the others have this come up different times.
Weird stuff can cause friction. Like coordinating doctor and dentist appointments, who does the shopping and what's on the list, chores are sometimes an issue, who gets to go on vacations or trips, who is pregnant and who isn't, etc.
I love my sisters but will admit that I am sometimes mystified by what upsets them. <<< Which makes my situation complicated sometimes.
And this is why you’re a rockstar here.
As Megan pointed out, sharing a home and family can (especially in child bearingand raising years) bring out other points of conflict that might not come up just with adults sharing a home.
Not being intimate with a sisterwife can leave one with more questions or insecurities about where the line that crosses into the other's (not) comfort zone.
There is a comfort level lovers have that might be possible with just affection and touch between sisterwives ....that really isn't possible without it.
Since contact between wives is not biblically regulated.....judging by the impact on the relationships and family as a whole is a reasonable way to evaluate what works.
One of the things I find most endearing about one of my sister wives is she will braid my hair. Although, this isn’t a big deal to some it means a lot to me because she is taking the time to do something for me that I enjoy having done. It’s hard to be angry at someone who loves you enough to take time out of their day for you and who makes you feel important.
My daughter's hair today.
I am actually amazed at the braided up-dos my sisterwife does on her own hair.
I am actually amazed at the braided up-dos my sisterwife does on her own hair.
Now Megan, I object to the "freak of nature" pejorative. Tall and slender yes but not a freak.