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Legalizing Marijuana = More People At Church?

lutherangirl

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I'm sure that I'll get somehow slammed for this question but here it goes. If marijuana was legal like drinking, both in moderation of course, would people who smoke pot come to church? I mean is it because of their guilt for doing something illegal that's keeping them from coming to church? I don't know the statistics of marijuana users, but I know quite a few people in my area that smoke it. Thoughts?
 
I am in favour of the legalisation of all drugs. Criminalisation increases the cost of drugs and creates associated criminal activity (just like prohibition of alcohol in the 1920's). Personally I don't smoke, drink or use drugs. And generally I dont associate with people who do. I do enjoy the occasional lime cordial.

More people at church? Hard to say. I cant see it having any real impact.
 
Why there is no way I would slam you. However, I will offer some words for critical thinking.

First, there is little difference in marijuana and alcohol in regard to immediate consequences on the body. Thus, the two types of drugs are not highly dangerous to one's life in small doses. Thus, it makes little sense as to why government would allow adults to partake of alcohol and not legally also all others to partake of a natural product of the land such as marijuana. Many are catching onto this logic today but as with all new ideas it is slow for change to come about. John Stossel on Fox News has set forth numerous arguments as to why there is no particular immediate harm for the legalization of this and he as a Libertarian ideologist, kinda of like Patrick Henry himself who was a champion for as much freedom as possible for individuals in the founding of America, has done a decent job of presenting the popular reasons why it should not be banned. Numerous lives in both law enforcement and citizens have been lost over this war on the limited use of marijuana use. Many officers with warrants have burst into homes to arrest people for small doses of this and have been hurt, injured, and some killed. Likewise, many citizens too have been hurt, injured, and killed over this. Yet they could sit in their homes and drink alcohol without threat of government interference. There is not much difference in that regard.

Second, some, mistakenly assume and jump to wild and non-empiracal based ideas that if marijuana is legalized that all drugs without any restraint should be legalized or that this legalization of marijuana would lead to such a position. Neither needs to be though. (1) Some drugs have worse effects on the body than other drugs. Some drugs will cause people to be instantly irrational and out of control. A little PCP, or a little cocaine, or other highly powerful drugs can send people over the edge immediately and thus there does need to be regulation over those drugs. Without some sort of regulation with the power of the sword these highly potent drugs would be detrimental for the lives of others since those using them would almost instantly lose control of their rational powers of self-control.This would place not just their own lives in danger but many others, which is where the criminal law system is designed to operate. Scientific studies show that some drugs do not lead to complete and automatic loss of control (such as alcohol, and marijuana) whereas other type of drugs even in some of the smallest amounts do in fact lead to such loss of control and thus it moves beyond that person's own safety to where other lives are at severe risk due to that one person using a drug that causes him or her to lose self-control almost immediately after use. (2) The legalization of marijuana does not need have to lead to the unleashing of all laws or regulations on all other drugs, which is a slippery slope type of argument. More harsh drugs would likely not be supported to be de-regulated since empirical studies would show the immediate danger for such use.

Third, as for would it bring more people into the church. I suppose only God knows. I normally tend to think that the low church attendance has more to do with the church people themselves not being actively engaged in being the church by building their entire life around the Great Commission. One of the greatest cirises in our land is not per se an issue about marriage, nor an issue about drugs, nor an issue about the laws of the land. Our greatest struggle has been to get men and women sold out to the great art of seeking to build relationships with lost people in order to win them to the Lord Jesus Christ. Some men and women are more in tune with every other sphere of life yet they have not yet latched onto the idea that every single sphere of life ought to be conducted with an eye on the goal to see people come to know Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. Instead of trying to get people to come to church, a phrase that is not used by any biblical writer, I think we would gain more people if we as the church went to them and brought them into our presence through strong relationships. Some have started using the phrase, being the church instead of going to church. If the saints would meet with one another and begin to do all that they can to win people to Christ as the geographical church (one church per region/city with due recognition of smaller assemblies in that one body) then we might see drug heads, harlots, God-haters, pagans, people in cults, and a host of other people come to know Christ and then in turn go out and make other disciples by their life.

And just for one last thought. I am theologically and personally opposed to the use of drugs for intoxicating purposes as that conflicts with Scripture. But I see a difference in what I teach as theological truth versus what I think the government needs to control with the power of the sword. Just like I am opposed to anyone being drunk as the Bible speaks against that. But I am not per se against the liberty of someone having that freedom to drinkso long as they do not violate the liberty of another person in that process.
 
lutherangirl said:
I'm sure that I'll get somehow slammed for this question but here it goes. If marijuana was legal like drinking, both in moderation of course, would people who smoke pot come to church? I mean is it because of their guilt for doing something illegal that's keeping them from coming to church? I don't know the statistics of marijuana users, but I know quite a few people in my area that smoke it. Thoughts?

I'm not going to slam you :)
If you're thinking that there would be more people in church if they didn't feel like they were breaking the law ? One problem with that argument is that we can't just go around "decriminalizing" activities in order to get people into church. I'm thinking more people would be willing to attend church or home fellowships if Christians would show love to these people. That would mean accepting people "warts n' all" to begin with and then prayerfully working with them (in love) to help them let go of destructive behaviors. My pastor has often quoted a phrase "God accepts you as you are but He loves you too much to let you stay that way". :)

As for decriminalizing marijuana or other drugs ? I'm against it. I've known several pot smoking people and based on what I've seen with them, I just can't support the recreational use of the drug. I do and would support the use of marijuana for legitimate medical purposes.
Blessings,
Fairlight
 
Shalom everyone! Marijuana is a herb and as stated in Genesis 1:29 states "I have given you every herb bearing seed", marijuana revives, restores and regenerates the body, mind, will and emotions. Marijuana was legal in America until the 1910s, I believe.

Lutherangirl, I must say yes and no, I believe that there are many people who attend churches today that smoke pot. However, I do know that there are many in the church that condemn such an act, without knowing all the facts, making others feel shame....causing them to not want to be around those who place them in that emotion.

I believe that there would be more people open to a Higher Being, not so much church. Marijuana is a peace drug and once used it can take the mind to different levels of the Spirit, which one may take years to experience without it. I've known several people to receive a number of revelations after smoking marijuana.

Just my thoughts!

Be the LIGHT!
 
nicola said:
Shalom everyone! Marijuana is a herb and as stated in Genesis 1:29 states "I have given you every herb bearing seed", marijuana revives, restores and regenerates the body, mind, will and emotions

I don't believe God gave us marijuana to smoke, get high or obtain an altered state of consciousness. If it can be used for a valid medical purpose or to make clothing items, etc...those are fine uses for it. Smoking it seems a misuse of the "herb". I don't see getting high a positive thing to do.
Blessings,
Fairlight
 
Great answers guys and gals. I guess we really don't know unless we go out Evangelizing with the question to the folks outside the church. Maybe Dr. Keith would be willing to write an Evangelism book with questions to ask: Do you smoke pot? Do you feel guilty and this stops you from going to church? Do you practice polygamy? Do you know there is a church you can go to that people will put there loving arms around you, and tell you about a wonderful Savior whose name is Jesus? :D
 
Most believers that use marijuana by smoking it, eating it, or drinking it, or whatever means used for partaking, have probably made their peace with their Creator regarding its use. IF they want to attend services, they probably don't care what others think. I had an employee for years that used, and I NEVER knew that he did. He was my best employee for 5 years, and he used everyday, a small amount to help with anxiety and depression and ADD. He never told me until after I shut down my company. And he is a believer. Antidepressants don't work for him, and cause him many problems, as does alcohol.


Pro 31:6 Give strong drink unto him that is ready to perish, and wine unto those that be of heavy hearts.
Pro 31:7 Let him drink, and forget his poverty, and remember his misery no more.

This strong drink is given for comfort, and is going to cause an altered state of consciousness.
Nobody says that marijuana has to be smoked, it can be eaten just like every other herb.

IF anyone would call themself "christian", as in "christ", as in "anointed", then they should also study the ingredients of the "anointing oil" in Exodus 30:23.

Exo 30:22 Moreover the LORDH3068 spakeH1696 untoH413 Moses,H4872 saying,H559
Exo 30:23 TakeH3947 thouH859 also unto thee principalH7218 spices,H1314 of pureH1865 myrrhH4753 fiveH2568 hundredH3967 shekels, and of sweetH1314 cinnamonH7076 half so much,H4276 even two hundredH3967 and fiftyH2572 shekels, and of sweetH1314 calamusH7070 two hundredH3967 and fiftyH2572 shekels,

most importantly recognizing the Hebrew words translated as "sweet calamus" as the words H1314 and H7070, being in Hebrew, the words for "reed"

"qâneh
kaw-neh'
From H7069; a reed (as erect); by resemblance a rod (especially for measuring), shaft, tube, stem, the radius (of the arm), beam (of a steelyard): - balance, bone, branch, calamus, cane, reed, X spearman, stalk."

and "sweet"

"beśem bôśem
beh'-sem, bo'-sem
From the same as H1313; fragrance; by implication spicery; also the balsam plant: - smell, spice, sweet (odour)."

Even sweet calamus has a psychotropic effect when pressed and made into oil, but every credible study on these words confirms that the "qâneh bo'-sem" of the Bible is Cannabis.

If alcohol is to be given for strong drink, it is to relax, ease the mind, and to enjoy in moderation. Using cannabis to relax and slow down, or even to just take a break from the pressures of the world is no sin or unlawful in God's eyes. If we say that any mind changing thing is not allowed, then we as believers should not take any anti depressants, or take alcohol in any way, and any other mind altering drug, even if it is "legal".

The federal drug laws do not apply anywhere except...

"(22) The term jurisdiction of the United States means the customs
territory of the United States, the Virgin Islands, the Canal Zone,
Guam, American Samoa, and the Trust Territories of the Pacific Islands."

according to the DEA regulations. Of course, the DEA tries to deny that this is their only authorized jurisdiction. Even South Carolina has a marijuana law, passed in 1980.

http://www.scstatehouse.gov/cgi-bin/que ... al=1030350

The key is to understand that laws like these are passed "consistent with federal law" and so the law is considered "dead" because most people don't understand that federal law for marijuana does not apply anywhere EXCEPT where the law SAYS it applies which is found in the CFR and quoted above.

I will stop there regarding the actual laws, and get back to the topic posted. I think that legalizing won't help attendance, it did not stop anyone from having a glass of wine to relax on friday nights when the church attended said that it was not allowed. So, even most believers recognize that some churches have man made rules that cannot be supported in scripture and it does not stop them from attending the services.

The real issue is why are we calling something evil or bad that God calls good. And why are we not using what God gave and His wisdom for health and relaxation instead of the drugs and chemicals made by man. Especially when man's wisdom is foolishness to God, and man cannot comprehend the human body, let alone the spirit and mind. God knows how it works, man can only try to know a minuscule portion. I don't have a problem with someone not wanting marijuana due to its mind altering effects, I just want consistency from those people in treating ALL things mind altering in the same light.

It ok to admit that Cannabis is in the Bible and was used in the anointing oil. It does not mean that anyone has to SMOKE it to get blasted. It is the ONLY thing created by God in its natural state that can give relaxation and health effects without any toxins, cannot under any circumstances cause death or disease, cannot harm the body, and can be grown in any climate. NO other "drug" or substance made by God or changed by man (alcohol, drugs) can do this.

Sorry, I just jumped topic again.

It won't help attendance directly, but if "churches" were more open and honest about what the Word actually says, and would stop being openly hypocritical regarding these topics, then attendance would probably increase because of THAT. Just like polygamy in the Bible, the outside world can see the double standards, and so they stay away. I agree with most of what Dr. A had to say in his post, mainly the more effective methods in implementing the Great Commission.
 
Sure, there will be more people at church. It's a great place to go on the nod. Everybody else already does.
 
No offense, of course, but a gimmick to entice more people into "attending church" for reasons that have more to do with the Adversary than they do with YHVH and His Word is generally ripe for picking...by the wrong team.

Whether it is "freedom" to smoke pot, or "freedom" to have more than one licensed "marriage" - the problem stems from getting the PROBLEM wrong right up front.

It cannot be made UNLAWFUL to do anything that He gave us "liberty" -- in Him -- to do, whether it is to marry, or to eat or use anything else He provides. This is especially true in a nation which once held "these Truths to be self-evident".

(People confuse "illegal" with "unlawful", and then utterly fail to recognize that to "legalize" something is not at ALL the same as to recognize that it was NEVER possible, in a federation of States which once had the Constitution, and the Bill of Rights to back it up, to do any such thing at all. It never ceases to amaze me how some "churches" which prattle about not being "under the law" will then teach blind obedience to Caesar in a hideous wresting of Romans 13. Why would any true servant of His want to suck more sheeple into such a trap?)

Many here have noted that trying to establish a 'church' dedicated to attract people who want a PARTICULAR "right" (read that as "permission", or "license", and you understand) -- but don't understand that what really matters is Who we serve -- is doomed to fail. This is why I conclude that any attempt to "add to", or "subtract from" His Written Instruction is equally fallacious.

If you doubt this, take a quick look at what has happened to the post-Constitutional, post-Biblical "democracy" now properly known as Amerika. Many will "get naked for Caesar" so that their not-so-benevolent slavemaster will let them go visit Gramma today...and then prattle about "freedom" tomorrow. This is what happens to people who accept the Lie that "the Law has been done away with".

The truth is that those who "serve YHVH ONLY" are sons...and the sons are free. There is nothing to "legalize" in His house.
 
ahh, lutherangirl. you dangerous radical ;)
 
steve said:
ahh, lutherangirl. you dangerous radical ;)

Steve, I like this kind of slamming, but you've blown my cover now. :lol:
 
Legalizing weed will not bring users into the church. "Christian" legalism, and those who practice it, make people turn around at the doors of the churches no matter what they do, or don't do, in the privacy of their own homes. The majority of the church welcomes all who walk through the door, but there are always a few "holier than thou" people that repulse sinners like me from embracing fellowship among the Sunday morning pew sitters.

That being said, the Spirit leads us to those whom we can fellowship with without fear of judgment... so, maybe the Sunday morning church building is not the only place that believers should be drawn to. Those who are building this ministry right here online are offering a place of refuge and worship for those who are sometimes not welcome elsewhere. ;)
 
lutherangirl said:
steve said:
ahh, lutherangirl. you dangerous radical ;)

Steve, I like this kind of slamming, but you've blown my cover now. :lol:
i do not think that anyone would have believed me until you went and admitted it :D your cover was so good (well, except for that poly thang that you discovered)


cats, how do they know? you look so nice, who'd athunk that yer a sinner? ;)
but yes, thankfully we have many more options now that the ideas of fellowship and worship have been tampered with.
rick joyner has been predicting a civil war in the "'church". it will be interesting to see how it is played out and how the sides are chosen up (will poly be an element?). but it will not be fun
 
it is true in Genesis God created vegetation seed bearing plants. But for food.
SeveN
 
nicola said:
Shalom everyone! Marijuana is a herb and as stated in Genesis 1:29 states "I have given you every herb bearing seed",

Uhm, so is poison ivy.

Not everything is beneficial.
 
Exactly, that is why all of these issues come down to wisdom issues. Every drug that comes from some natural element is not wrong in and of itself. But if not regulated or used in beneficial ways it can be destructive. And that is why there needs to be some way to regulate some of the more dangerous or potent drugs that have entered into society. The way to regulate though is hotly debated among various political parties and legal advocates, but it is generally agreed by all that some types of drugs used can be deadly even in some of the smallest doses.
 
None of this applies to anyone in particular (my use of the word 'you').

I believe that the tolerance of the church is why it has been struggling.
It has ceded much of it's responsibilities to the government now.
If you allow yourself as an organization to be put in a position where you do not stand firmly for biblical principles, against sin, and are not as active in community outreach - What do you expect will happen?
As the government fullfills more and more of the churches role feeding the hungry and helping the needy, it gains more followers while the church loses chances to bring new members into its fold.

There is no reason why you shouldn't feel like a sinner when you go to church and hear a particular sermon regarding something you struggle with. You are a sinner and that is why the community and fellowship of a church is so important. A bunch of sinners can get together and work for each other and support each other and remind each other to put sin out of their lives. The two main problems with individuals in this matter are pride (I don't want to be treated like a sinner[I struggle with this one most]) and hypocrisy (You are a sinner but I am very Godly). As a person who feels judged you must examine which one is happening. One of them you can do something about, the other you can only forgive and try to show with actions and kindness how one should properly act toward his brethren.

Pot -
I don't think that the federal government should be regulating much of what it does but I do believe that some regulation is needed. I rely on the pretty weak argument of a "reasonable person". If a reasonable person wants to stop they typically can. This applies to twinkies with high processed content and coffee and mtn dew with high caffeine content and alcohol and ibuprofin and alieve and marijuana. A reasonable person will find it extremely difficult to stop heroin use. You need to be allowed to make mistakes and you also need to be allowed to make choices (even bad ones) so that you can learn how to make the correct choices when it comes to the important ones. Over regulation is what happens when the choice to fail gets taken away from you. Good regulation is when it keeps you alive to make another choice, another day.
I don't think that making pot legal will make much of a difference on church attendance. I know quite a few people who smoke and/or eat that still attend church and many that don't but I have never heard any of them mention that there is any correlation. I'm sure there are some cases out there somewhere. This is just from my personal experience too so a good scientific study might prove it to be completely outside of the norm.

-Rubicon
 
macike said:
nicola said:
Shalom everyone! Marijuana is a herb and as stated in Genesis 1:29 states "I have given you every herb bearing seed",

Uhm, so is poison ivy.

Not everything is beneficial.


Correct, and marijuana is extremely beneficial. IF you need references, I can provide hundreds of them, studies from just about every country, including the United States, detailing the astounding findings of the medical benefits of marijuana.

If poison ivy is a seed bearing plant, then is God wrong in Genesis 1:29?
 
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