Head covering

[Asforme&myhouse]

My comments on this thread were not meant to push others around. I am a bit on the blunt side sometimes, not necessarily on purpose. Sometimes i will say something and then when I am reading back through the threads, I’m like “oh man” that sounded kind of mean. It wasn’t meant that way. I think I am much kinder in person then i come across on here, at least i hope so. So please know that I meant no offense or disrespect to the ladies here who wear head coverings. If you’re a lady who wears a head covering because you feel that you should or your husband holds a different view on this than myself, I completely respect that. Be obedient to your own husband and also don’t violate your conscience before God. Blessings to all of you, I love all you folks on here

 

[The Revolting Man]

“All things in moderation” just isn’t on your radar is it @ZecAustin?

Lol, I don't know; strippers and cocaine might fall in to that category.

 

[The Revolting Man]

I cut off my hippie hair, keep it short, and do not wear anything on my head when praying.

The chapter in question does not say that I should be clean shaven, but it does say it's a shame for me to have long hair. A foreshadowing of Ezekiel 44:20 perhaps. I don't put a lot on it, just following the instructions as written to the best of my understanding.

I'm not supposed to cover my head. For this same reason I should not have long hair. My wife is supposed to cover her head. This is why she was given long hair.

For me it's really cut and dried. I know others have different convictions, which is fully ok because I'm only the steward of a handful of scalps.

It bothers me to the point of anger that I can't in good conscience completely disagree with this statement. Although I almost completely disagree.

 

[The Revolting Man]

If a women’s long hair is a covering and her having short hair isn’t than why would a man with short hair be considered covered? Woman keep your hair long, man keep your hair short... it’s so simple

The only problem with that is that the passage says that woman who isn't covered should be shorn, so obviously short hair wasn't the offending culprit since it's actually the remedy.

 

[Asforme&myhouse]

Lol, I don't know; strippers and cocaine might fall in to that category.

Those are definitely habits that one wouldn’t want to go overboard with!

 

[Asforme&myhouse]

The only problem with that is that the passage says that woman who isn't covered should be shorn, so obviously short hair wasn't the offending culprit since it's actually the remedy.

I think it’s more along the lines of, if she is going to wear it shorter she might as well go all the way and shave it off. Her long hair was given to her by God as a covering. If she keeps it long she’s covered. If she cuts it short for whatever reason then she should wear something else to cover her head.

 

[The Revolting Man]

I think it’s more along the lines of, if she is going to wear it shorter she might as well go all the way and shave it off. Her long hair was given to her by God as a covering. If she keeps it long she’s covered. If she cuts it short for whatever reason then she should wear something else to cover her head.

I have two too many in depth knock down drag outs going on right now so I will bow out with this, how long is long enough and how short is too short?

 

[Asforme&myhouse]

I have two too many in depth knock down drag outs going on right now so I will bow out with this, how long is long enough and how short is too short?

I guess that would depend on the size of the woman if she is 7 feet tall and her hair is 12 inches long that would probably be considered short hair. But if she is 4 foot 11 and her hair is 12 inches long that might be considered long hair. I think another crucial factor is whether she weighs more or less than a duck and whether or not she floats.

 

[Slumberfreeze]

It bothers me to the point of anger that I can't in good conscience completely disagree with this statement. Although I almost completely disagree.

Importantly, all of our wives are adequately covered for the consciences of both themselves and their own husbands, so no-one is in any danger of actually being irreverent. We only differ on how we revere.
I've long suspected that differences like this were always intended to occur, so that we may be known by how we treat brothers who we cannot fully reconcile doctrine with.

I think another crucial factor is whether she weighs more or less than a duck and whether or not she floats.

 

[The Revolting Man]

I guess that would depend on the size of the woman if she is 7 feet tall and her hair is 12 inches long that would probably be considered short hair. But if she is 4 foot 11 and her hair is 12 inches long that might be considered long hair. I think another crucial factor is whether she weighs more or less than a duck and whether or not she floats.

My point exactly.

 

[Isaac]

I think I am much kinder in person then i come across on here, at least i hope so.

I can vouch for this.

 

[Pacman]

I think you hit the nail on the head here.

I truly don't understand how you can come to that conclusion. I know several people who have but all of them that I have spoken with about it have never truly studied it beyond a glance. I'm not saying that you didn't study it but I really do want to know how you came to believe that.

 

[Asforme&myhouse]

My point exactly.

Paul appeals to common sense in the passage and i think we should too in the application of it.

 

[Asforme&myhouse]

I can vouch for this.

Hahaha thanks Isaac! You sir, are a true friend

 

[The Revolting Man]

Paul appeals to common sense in the passage and i think we should too in the application of it.

Maybe but how common is common sense? I'm not trying to be cute here but soft standards and nebulous goals are a sign of poor management. It may be the sign of a weak mind but I feel a lot more confident with a clear direction and set parameters. It may be the Marine in me.

 

[andrew]

I've long suspected that differences like this were always intended to occur, so that we may be known by how we treat brothers who we cannot fully reconcile doctrine with.

Amen. Yes. This. Absolutely. Right on.

Sounds like Romans 14 talk....

 

[Asforme&myhouse]

I have two too many in depth knock down drag outs going on right now so I will bow out with this, how long is long enough and how short is too short?

Now I have to pose this question back to you. How much should a covering cover if a covering should cover her covering?

So, what is required? A mennonite cap, a western style bonnet, a hijab, or a burka?

 

[Asforme&myhouse]

I truly don't understand how you can come to that conclusion. I know several people who have but all of them that I have spoken with about it have never truly studied it beyond a glance. I'm not saying that you didn't study it but I really do want to know how you came to believe that.

Can you share with me the extra biblical sources from which you gained this deeper understanding of what Paul meant?

 

[rockfox]

You are correct, headcovering was practiced by all women in all denominations from the 1st century up until the rise of feminism in the last 150 years. It is a command and was never seen as optional; but it is extremely offensive to feminists. During the late 1800's the covering devolved into fancy hats and bit by bit fell out of favor. So far as I know most denominations stopped by the 60's; excepting some Anabaptist and the Orthodox.

From the context of the passage I believe this applies to corporate worship (v2, v16, v18) within the church and not necessarily to all times of prayer. This is a distinction that I believe is misunderstood by some denominations such as Mennonites and Amish who practice this at all times. From the passage I believe that it is necessary any time a woman is teaching or anytime she is praying or in attendance during public prayer. (she should be joining in prayer anytime she is in attendance and someone is praying publicly)

It is for during prayer and prophesying (public or private). Since a lot of that happens during church meetings, it became practice to wear during church. And as faith devolved, it became part of 'church clothes', not really worn outside of the service. However there is an argument to be made to wear it all the time, both from modesty and from praying continually; and that was the practice in Europe and Russia up until very recently (probably the rise of feminism, but I'm not as familiar with the history of Europe). This is a practice that dates back 3-5000 years. Considering it is a symbol of authority, wearing it at all times is eminently appropriate.

she performs a ministry to the angels.

I think it is more that the angels are ministering to her; and they are kind of sensitive about the issue of proper authority.

But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering.
A woman’s long hair IS her covering... pulls pin, tosses, ducks for cover!

While that sounds good at first glance, especially if you don't want to cover. It is actually quite a ridiculous interpretation. It makes no sense in the greater context of the passage. Furthermore the word translated covering there is not the same Greek word used previously. Lastly, that was NEVER the Christian practice; from the 1st century until the 19th, Christian women used a cloth covering. It's a post-feminism interpretation and one not really taken seriously either as I've repeatedly heard short hair'd women (or the husbands thereof) make that argument. You can see this if you just swap read the passage and say 'hair' everytime covering is mentioned.

 

[rockfox]

The only problem with that is that the passage says that woman who isn't covered should be shorn, so obviously short hair wasn't the offending culprit since it's actually the remedy.

Three different hair lengths are discussed in this passage: long, short, and shorn (like a sheep, what we'd call a buzzcut).