Hagar and Abraham

[Mojo]

We all know that God would have had Ishmael stoned for such an offense just because the law ie Ten Commandments doesn’t mean Abraham didn’t have some kind of moral code

I agree. He would have had a code.
I’m not even saying I believe the theory.

But, I don’t think they postulate that Ishmael violated his body. I think they feel it was sexually inappropriate.

Regardless, I think the bigger picture is that folks will grasp at straws to shoehorn in a biblical reason for Jew/Arab discord.

 

[ASyers41]

Absolutely, especially when they do not or cannot come up with any other reason.

 

[BiblicalLiteralist]

For your arguments, a video on YouTube idr who by, pointed out something of interest. He was addressing something else but was referencing Genesis 16 and how it's addressed in Roman's 4:19-21 Abraham's faith is noted as having not weakening in regards to having a promise child through Sarah, from Sarah. This makes for a good rebuttal to Abraham's often attributed "lack of faith" in taking Hagar to have the son of the promise.

 

[ASyers41]

So my issue is this on the Child of Promise. Genesis 15 talks about God promising Abraham to be the Father of many nations. He never said that line would come through Sarah until after Ishmael was born so therefore, they did not lack faith at all.

 

[BiblicalLiteralist]

So my issue is this on the Child of Promise. Genesis 15 talks about God promising Abraham to be the Father of many nations. He never said that line would come through Sarah until after Ishmael was born so therefore, they did not lack faith at all.

That is true as well, I am strictly addressing the often used "he only laid with Hagar because he didnt believe."

 

[ASyers41]

That is true as well, I am strictly addressing the often used "he only laid with Hagar because he didnt believe."

Which would also be a lie based Hebrews 11.

 

[Bartato]

Which would also be a lie based Hebrews 11.

It seems to me more appropriate to say he may have laid with Hagar specifically because he did believe God's Promise, but did not understand how God would bring it to pass.