Getting the "Left foot of fellowship" over plural marriage

[Hugh McBryde]

Re: Getting the "Left foot of fellowship" over plural marria

Dave,

I go along entirely with the "Devolution" concept. The vision of Daniel is instructive in that regard. The problem with denominations is like the problem with war. War is horrible. The solution though, is war.

 

[Nikismom]

Re: Getting the "Left foot of fellowship" over plural marria

We are praying about hosting a PM fellowship in our home in Tulsa. We have both felt led by the spirit to open our home and lead/teach as lead by our Lord.

We will start with just our little family if we have too!

 

[Shimon]

Re: Getting the "Left foot of fellowship" over plural marria

We are praying about hosting a PM fellowship in our home in Tulsa. We have both felt led by the spirit to open our home and lead/teach as lead by our Lord.

We will start with just our little family if we have too!

Keep me posted Gidget. We may attend too if that's ok. Or maybe just me until my wife feels ready to get back into fellowship.

Dave

 

[Shimon]

Re: Getting the "Left foot of fellowship" over plural marria

Dave,

I go along entirely with the "Devolution" concept. The vision of Daniel is instructive in that regard. The problem with denominations is like the problem with war. War is horrible. The solution though, is war.

Yeah, unfortunately. I've had a firsthand taste of that and, in a lot of cases, wonder how effective that solution is. Being a career vet, I think that often times a precision strike would be just as effective for the situation. Especially if it were demonstrated that those strikes would take place whenever and wherever needed. Guess that's why I'd never be a good politician. Too direct and very little patience with BS. Still working on that patience thing!

Dave

 

[Hugh McBryde]

Yeah Dave,

This is why I have arrived at the point that I know God would prefer few or no denominations. It would seem his only division is "Gentile Believers" vs "Racial Israelite" believers. Circumcision vs Uncircumcision. You can also make a case for organizing churches along national lines, but the LORD in the end will have one nation, so that is less than perfect too.

As long as their are nations, there are other Churches, as long as there is Israelite and Gentile, two ways of obeying him (though both must accept Christ). The unfortunate part comes, like war, when brothers in Christ stray, and ask us to stray with them, to the point that they ask us to forsake the truth. Then we must divide and there must be denominations. Denominations become then the solution to division, just like war is the solution for war.

 

[Shimon]

Maybe so Hugh. My feeling is that I will remain as best I can a member of the gentile Church. Deciding how to divide the scriptures like a Berean with lots of study of the word. I try to fellowship with believers of who feel somewhat the same. The discussion in small groups is usually more informative for me anyway. As soon as there are denominations, it becomes an issue of trying to convince others to believe as you do. My way is to spread the Gospel - that being that Christ came, took our punishment by dying on the Cross, and rose again on the third day to sit at the right hand of the Father. That by accepting the free gift of his grace we are forgiven of our sins and are holy and acceptable to the Father.
Jesus gave just 2 commandments that he said were more important than any other. "thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and all thy soul, and all thy mind," and "Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself." Anything else is secondary I guess. 'Course those two can cover a lot of territory (On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets). I feel like if you love someone, you are bound to listen to them and if what they fervently believe violates some "sacred cow" of theirs, they should be willing to be a Berean and really get into the scriptures with an open mind. Unfortunately, too many don't feel that obligation. But that's why the seven church's are addressed in Revelation, is it not?

 

[T-C's Rebeka]

Re: Getting the "Left foot of fellowship" over plural marria

We are praying about hosting a PM fellowship in our home in Tulsa. We have both felt led by the spirit to open our home and lead/teach as lead by our Lord.

We will start with just our little family if we have too!

Keep me posted Gidget. We may attend too if that's ok. Or maybe just me until my wife feels ready to get back into fellowship.

Dave

If you do start hosting a home fellowship let us know we may want to stop by and fellowship also. We live in Tahlequah so it is a bit of a drive, but we drive to Owasso right now for church anyway.

God's Blessings
TC's Rebeka and Tele-Caster

 

[Doc]

Re: Getting the "Left foot of fellowship" over plural marria

Let us know here at the Biblical Families staff as well. We have over 600 people on our newsletter list, so there may be others in your area (or just passing thru, lol!) who would want to fellowship, too!

email us at staff@biblicalfamilies.org

Blessings,

 

[DiscussingTheTopic]

Re: Getting the "Left foot of fellowship" over plural marria

Ok

I have seen people in Churches in gross sexual immorality who have no intention to repent not kicked out.

I understand if you have a problem with sexual immorality and desire to change your ways, I think people who desire to change their ways should be allowed to change.

Someone may be having premarital sex, pornography, man on man homosexuality, adultery, etc. All clearly forbidden in scripture. But they are kept in the Church "because of mercy." :roll:

But apparently polygamy which is never directly forbidden that I have seen and people get in big trouble.

Where is the mercy for polygamists.

Why do people try to put polygamists in jail, when God has NOT OBVIOUSLY condemned it, but man on man homosexuals and adulterers which God has prescribed death for in the Torah are allowed to go free!

 

[DiscussingTheTopic]

Re: Getting the "Left foot of fellowship" over plural marria

We haven't been kicked out yet, so I don't have a story. Although the people I have talked to either think its a phase, or I'm going off the deep end.

I had some free time this morning, so I made a badge for those who have.

Can we copy this image and use it ourselves? Or is this copyrighted by you or someone else?

 

[Mark C]

Re: Getting the "Left foot of fellowship" over plural marria

Too bad there's probably not room on the emblem for the Church of Caesar doing the kicking to have a little "501c(3) badge", too.

After all, whether they admit it or not, it's obedience to mammon that ultimately carries MUCH more importance to such "churches" than obedience to YHVH or His Word.

 

[mrscottyl]

Re: Getting the "Left foot of fellowship" over plural marria

Too bad there's probably not room on the emblem for the Church of Caesar doing the kicking to have a little "501c(3) badge", too.

After all, whether they admit it or not, it's obedience to mammon that ultimately carries MUCH more importance to such "churches" than obedience to YHVH or His Word.

But Mark, you know that the Church of Caesar is so stuck in their pagan ways wrapped in Messiah clothing, and that anyone who talks about obedience is thus termed a legalist and a Judaizer, so that they willfully teach anyone can do anything while they promote doctrines that justify them while they are sinning, and also they love to take money from people. Too many people have taken one foot out of the Church of Caesar to only put it right back in or just straddle the fence. Others trade on Babylon for another. Remember, we are to come out of her and be separate.

Scott

 

[DiscussingTheTopic]

Re: Getting the "Left foot of fellowship" over plural marria

So I have not got kicked out of the Church I mainly go to over believing that it is morally acceptable for a man to marry more than one wife.

And if I talk to certain people individually I do not get in trouble.

But if I talk about it in front of more than one person, I am severely reprimanded despite that they have been unable to offer any logical objection based on scripture.

The Pastor told me that he can not prove that it is wrong, but since according to him the scripture does not show that it is allowed either, he goes by "church tradition"

And he said to them: "You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe your own traditions!
Mark 7:9 NIV

He said I can talk to him about it, but I should not talk to other people, because it will "ruin my reputation." And he wants to protect my reputation.

What is the point of "going to Church" if you are shunned for discussing the scriptures

I have not found any Church or anyone I can meet with in person who can teach me a better understanding of the Bible.

I feel that my understanding is very limited and I need to understand the Bible a lot more.

The primary reason I see I should meet with Christians regularly is.

Let us not give up meeting together, as some are in the habit of doing, but let us encourage one another—and all the more as you see the Day approaching.

Hebrews 10:25 NIV

Does anyone have any advice about this?

By the way I have already looked at several church organizations and this seems to be one of the better ones, and I have already committed probably at least two years of my life there. It is sort of like a family/community for me at this point.

 

[Mark C]

Re: Getting the "Left foot of fellowship" over plural marria

What is the point of "going to Church" if you are shunned for discussing the scriptures?

My position is not popular with State-licensed, Caesar-subsidized, paid agents of the prince of this world's 501c(3) Church , DTT. (In the interest of politeness, I left out the word that the Bible most often associates with such hypocritical "faith-based organizations"; generally mamserim in the Hebrew. )

Our Savior taught that those who are faithful in the small things can be trusted with the more important ones. I have personally concluded that one who is not faithful in the BIG things (such as Who we serve, and what Yahushua said in Matthew 4:10) should not only not be called "master", "rabbi", or teacher, but should not be counted on to teach Scripture.

Your post is a prime example of the reason that I have adopted the theme of "Come out of her" (from Revelation 18:4) for both the title of my radio show(s) and Sabbath study teachings, and the blog. There are an increasing number of "gatherings" of "called-out ones" (look up the meaning of the real name "Matthew", or Matit-YaHu, in the Hebrew) who acknowledge the Truth of Scripture - all of it, as Written, in the original language -- which we are to "study for ourselves" to the best of our ability, and use for "reproof, correction, and instruction in righteousness (obedience to Him)".

Caesar (in the form of the IRS) has already decreed that there are many things (and the list is increasing, shortly to include "hate crimes" and a whole new list of "verbotten verses") which may not be preached from his licensed pulpits. Polygyny, of course, is only one of those.

 

[DiscussingTheTopic]

Re: Getting the "Left foot of fellowship" over plural marria

There are an increasing number of "gatherings" of "called-out ones" (look up the meaning of the real name "Matthew", or Matit-YaHu, in the Hebrew) who acknowledge the Truth of Scripture - all of it, as Written, in the original language -- which we are to "study for ourselves" to the best of our ability, and use for "reproof, correction, and instruction in righteousness (obedience to Him)".

Caesar (in the form of the IRS) has already decreed that there are many things (and the list is increasing, shortly to include "hate crimes" and a whole new list of "verbotten verses") which may not be preached from his licensed pulpits. Polygyny, of course, is only one of those.

I have a feeling any Christian who teaches polygamy to a large gathering of people may find himself in jail with false slanderous accusations against him all over public news to bias the jury against him, if he survives being attacked by tanks, tear gas and so forth. That might explain why I have not ran into a Bible respecting Church organization that openly teaches polygamy yet. Of course any Muslim, is free to teach polygamy, in the U.S without being thrown in jail.

How would someone go about finding even one of these "called-out ones," in their own city?

 

[steve]

Re: Getting the "Left foot of fellowship" over plural marria

seriously, there are so few believers in the whole of scripture that we are few and far between

so far, this board is the best method for finding fellow believers that i have found. identify your area and see if any others are close
many of us have driven hundreds of miles for the fellowship that you speak of, you are probably not going to find it "down the street and around the corner"

 

[DiscussingTheTopic]

Re: Getting the "Left foot of fellowship" over plural marria

seriously, there are so few believers in the whole of scripture that we are few and far between

so far, this board is the best method for finding fellow believers that i have found. identify your area and see if any others are close
many of us have driven hundreds of miles for the fellowship that you speak of, you are probably not going to find it "down the street and around the corner"

Milwaukee Wisconsin