Exodus 22:16-17: "pre-marital sex" = the beginning of marriage?

[Man_in_the_Middle]

Moses didn't say anything. And he's very detailed.

Adultery does not end a marriage and sex does not automatically start one either.
A daughter is in her fathers protection until he sees fit to relinquish it to another.

If you take a ride on my horse, it is still my horse and I will chase you down and bring it back, regardless of how willingly she rode off with you.

Theft is theft...

 

[The Revolting Man]

Adultery does not end a marriage and sex does not automatically start one either.
A daughter is in her fathers protection until he sees fit to relinquish it to another.

If you take a ride on my horse, it is still my horse and I will chase you down and bring it back, regardless of how willingly she rode off with you.

Theft is theft...

I’d love to finally see the Biblical case made for this claim. I keep getting told I will be but then no one ever makes good. The warble about Numbers 30, I show them they’re wrong, then they mewl about the bride price and I show them they’ve wrong and then I get called names and the poor little guy storms off in a huff.

 

[Yan]

Females seem to be designed by God to be able to make the best of whatever has happened. This is why war brides simply move on. Their allegiance changes to those they are now with. This is not in any way to demean them. This, I believe, is for preservation of life. If women were like men, they could never be trusted and would have to be killed in war instead.

This is based on evolutionary psychology. Even if evolutionism is true, I don't believe that the mind stores memories of past times.

I don't feel these instincts in myself either.

 

[Man_in_the_Middle]

This is based on evolutionary psychology. Even if evolutionism is true, I don't believe that the mind stores memories of past times.

I don't feel these instincts in myself either.

I said that females seem to be designed by God this way. I am not hearkening to evolutionary anything.... I am pointing to history and what has happened over and over again since recorded history began to be recorded.

I believe that God gave men and women their natures and while we may not individually feel a certain way, I believe that we are still painted with the same brush to one extent or another...

 

[Man_in_the_Middle]

I’d love to finally see the Biblical case made for this claim. I keep getting told I will be but then no one ever makes good. The warble about Numbers 30, I show them they’re wrong, then they mewl about the bride price and I show them they’ve wrong and then I get called names and the poor little guy storms off in a huff.

You are too toxic to teach... You may pick it up from me by osmosis someday in the future but I am choosing not to work directly with you....

 

[The Revolting Man]

You are too toxic to teach... You may pick it up from me by osmosis someday in the future but I am choosing not to work directly with you....

You don’t have anything to teach me.

 

[MeganC]

You are too toxic to teach...

You are as humble as you say you are.

 

[Man_in_the_Middle]

You are as humble as you say you are.

If I am as full of pride as the one I am avoiding, I need to repent! Thanks for calling me out... I will pray about it.

 

[Yan]

I said that females seem to be designed by God this way. I am not hearkening to evolutionary anything.... I am pointing to history and what has happened over and over again since recorded history began to be recorded.

I believe that God gave men and women their natures and while we may not individually feel a certain way, I believe that we are still painted with the same brush to one extent or another...

Why would God have designed women to be like this when there was no war in Eden?

The fact that most women are a certain way does not mean that God created them like that. Their corrupted minds chose to be that way.
In Genesis 6, it is said that the intentions of men's hearts were evil; God certainly did not make these people to be like that.

In Genesis 3, it is said that the serpent would live in enmity with the woman. Maybe these "instincts" are caused by Satan.

 

[The Revolting Man]

Why would God have designed women to be like this when there was no war in Eden?

The fact that most women are a certain way does not mean that God created them like that. Their corrupted minds chose to be that way.
In Genesis 6, it is said that the intentions of men's hearts were evil; God certainly did not make these people to be like that.

In Genesis 3, it is said that the serpent would live in enmity with the woman. Maybe these "instincts" are caused by Satan.

Are you still talking about the war bride being less bothered by the situation than a man would?

 

[PastorLarry]

I understand all of this. I was trying to get the sex is marriage crowd to explain to me how a woman forced into sex, taking her virginity, is married to that man. So far I’ve heard no explanation.

Whether "forced into sex" or "gladly jumping into bed with" sex - the instruction is still the same. Go to the father. When, of course the father says "gimme da money", and "no, you may not have my daughter" - my suspicion is he is given exactly 30 seconds to high tail it outta town before he gets shot. And he'd better go far outta town, because "his goose is cooked" in that neighborhood. And, of course it was rape and of course he won't go to the father and of course he must suffer the death penalty, making the innocent girl a widow, making her the same as a virgin in the eyes of everyone.