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Early Church Father's who don't condemn Polygany

I echo what others have said. Do not allow him to shift the focus of the discussion. It's a distraction and deflection. If he is claiming that he listens to the non-inspired and non-canonical writings and teachings of men and is making them the basis for his authority, then he is no better than the average RCC priest who says " I believe what my church teaches and my church teaches what I believe". It's a circular pattern and he is setting himself up for disigenuity.

Keep it scripture based ALONE. That is the only honest position to take. Don't take the bait. If he insists on only referring to these men, then let him know that he is going to have to be prepared to defend ALL of their viewpoints, not just picking and choosing based on convenience. Wesley and Spurgeon differed on sovereign election. How does he decide on who to side with in that matter? I'm guessing he would say that scripture would be his authority....so should it be with polygyny.
 
yoderfamily said:
So I reached out to the Pastor who kicked me out of the ministerial alliance. And started a dialogue. His text.

Fact check:
Not my interpretation.
Polygamy has never been a tenant of the Christian faith, nor did any of the early Church fathers teach it. It is diametrically opposed to any of their teaching. Therefore, it is not a denominational teaching. St. Augustine, Athanasius, St. Francis of Assisi, St. John of the Cross, Fenelon, Guyon, George Fox, Edwards, Whitfield, Wesley, Matthew Henry, Clarke, Spurgeon, Finney, all of these and more have never taught Polygamy. All from various backgrounds but all in agreement that God's design for marriage was one man with one woman for a lifetime or until death.
Thus, a tenant of the Christian faith not a denominational matter at all.

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I would point him to Clyde Pilkington's "The Great Omission," but there's a deeper issue here. He openly states he is leaning on the teaching of "The Church Fathers." By which he means the CATHOLIC Church's fathers.
Well... the Catholic Church has been diametrically opposed to nearly all of Christ's teachings since its inception. It has been, from the beginning, an attempt to twist the Gospel into a shape more accommodating to Pagans. Ergo, if this pastor is building his position off of the teachings of heretics, then there is little that can be done.
 
NeoPatriarch said:
"The only reason of its being a crime now to do this is because custom and the laws forbid it." - St. Augustine
(from "A Selected Library of Nicene and Post-Nicine Fathers of the Christian Church", Philip Schaff, Vol III, pg. 289)
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Out of curiosity, do you happen to know where I can find a copy of this, preferably all volumes? I'd prefer to avoid making Jeff Bezos any richer if I can help it.
 
yoderfamily said:
So I reached out to the Pastor who kicked me out of the ministerial alliance. And started a dialogue. His text.

Fact check:
Not my interpretation.
Polygamy has never been a tenant of the Christian faith, nor did any of the early Church fathers teach it. It is diametrically opposed to any of their teaching. Therefore, it is not a denominational teaching. St. Augustine, Athanasius, St. Francis of Assisi, St. John of the Cross, Fenelon, Guyon, George Fox, Edwards, Whitfield, Wesley, Matthew Henry, Clarke, Spurgeon, Finney, all of these and more have never taught Polygamy. All from various backgrounds but all in agreement that God's design for marriage was one man with one woman for a lifetime or until death.
Thus, a tenant of the Christian faith not a denominational matter at all.

Who can help me on resources
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Why? Catholicsm is a cult. You're trying to prove to a cult that their teachings are wrong, while still giving them legitimacy by admitting they are right on some things. All of the people mentioned were Catholic or Protestant, a branch of the catholics. Cathoic was a combination of a number of religions, most of which were pagan. Don't give them legitimacy.
 
Gideon_70 said:
Why? Catholicsm is a cult.
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I'll be the first to agree with the second sentence, though the answer to the first is "because 99% of Catholics actually do want to serve God and the vast majority of them think that they are doing so." Not a single soul has ever been won (nor a willing follower of Christ persuaded to correct their flawed theology) by ignoring them or simply berating them for being (unknowingly) a cult.
 
Gideon_70 said:
Why? Catholicsm is a cult. You're trying to prove to a cult that their teachings are wrong, while still giving them legitimacy by admitting they are right on some things. All of the people mentioned were Catholic or Protestant, a branch of the catholics. Cathoic was a combination of a number of religions, most of which were pagan. Don't give them legitimacy.
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Well they are right on some things, and they are a cult. As much as I love some of Harrison Butker's remarks, I cringed quite a bit when I heard the entire speech.
 
I've heard that two of John and Charles Wesley's sisters married polygamous men (2 different ones). I've also heard that their mother Susanna Wesley (considered very godly) lived in one of these homes in her senior years as an elderly widow.
 
Bartato said:
I've heard that two of John and Charles Wesley's sisters married polygamous men (2 different ones). I've also heard that their mother Susanna Wesley (considered very godly) lived in one of these homes in her senior years as an elderly widow.
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Sturgeon? I do believe I saw a quote purported to be from Spurgeon, that pastor John Saint over at IRBC used in his rebuttal video.

I found this quote from a google search: "There are two matters mentioned in Scripture which I do not believe God ever approved, but which, finding they were deep-seated, He did not forbid to the Jews. One was polygamy, the practice of marrying many wives had become so established that, though God abhorred it, yet He permitted it to the Jews because He foresaw that they would inevitably have broken the commandment if He had made an ordinance that they should have but one wife."

I guess his god was not powerful enough to stop it.
 
Daniel DeLuca said:
Sturgeon? I do believe I saw a quote purported to be from Spurgeon, that pastor John Saint over at IRBC used in his rebuttal video.

I found this quote from a google search "There are two matters mentioned in Scripture which I do not believe God ever approved, but which, finding they were deep-seated, He did not forbid to the Jews. One was polygamy, the practice of marrying many wives had become so established that, though God abhorred it, yet He permitted it to the Jews because He foresaw that they would inevitably have broken the commandment if He had made an ordinance that they should have but one wife."

I guess his god was not powerful enough to stop it.
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So it's allowed. Therefore not sin.

If he thinks Lord doesn't approve, Spurgeon has issue. When had Lord had issue commenting something?
 
Daniel DeLuca said:
Sturgeon? I do believe I saw a quote purported to be from Spurgeon, that pastor John Saint over at IRBC used in his rebuttal video.

I found this quote from a google search: "There are two matters mentioned in Scripture which I do not believe God ever approved, but which, finding they were deep-seated, He did not forbid to the Jews. One was polygamy, the practice of marrying many wives had become so established that, though God abhorred it, yet He permitted it to the Jews because He foresaw that they would inevitably have broken the commandment if He had made an ordinance that they should have but one wife."

I guess his god was not powerful enough to stop it.
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We've also got some blind spots. I love Spurgeon, but like most Christians he was inconsistent and wrong here.
 
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