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[Keith Martin]

Before the term 'ungovernable' (which I like) became semi-popular, I was fond of the concept of we should be like "herding cats."

I must admit that I liked it because it encapsulated the crux of my own personal driving forces ever since childhood (my 93-year-old father is still on the planet and would readily confirm my pretty much life-long rebellion).

 

[Keith Martin]

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This is from someone who initially doubted the whistleblower's legitimacy:

Update - NZ Whistleblower

He may be a sincere person

www.igor-chudov.com

I watched the entire presentation a couple days ago, and I can see how some doubted it, because he made the mistake of putting up charts that didn't have consistent time lines. The data still supports his premises, but it starts looking like he's picking and choosing years to compare.

 

[FollowingHim]

Totally in agreement with you, Samuel (and anyone else holding this position), because there are people and places the globalists will never bother to tame (just look into how little governance Russia or the Soviet Union have ever inflicted on far eastern Russia). However . . . I see focusing on getting off grid and/or homesteading and/or going full rural to be woefully inadequate and even somewhat capitulationistic. If the SHTF happens and those of us prepared to stand tall and rebuild are scattered to the far winds -- as opposed to representing a small but significant presence everywhere -- the return from temporal tribulation will take additional decades or even centuries, depending on the initial cataclysmic catalyst.

I agree with you on this also. The easy option is to retreat to Texas or Siberia. The harder option is to win.

 

[Mark C]

I agree with you on this also. The easy option is to retreat to Texas or Siberia. The harder option is to win.

To 'come out' - when we're told to - and REFUSE to submit to 'another master' is not to retreat. Not even a tiny bit.

We win when we trust in and obey Him, rather than the 'prince of this world.'

 

[Keith Martin]

The easy option is to retreat to Texas or Siberia. The harder option is to win.

Please elaborate. I don't know what you mean by either sentence, Samuel.

 

[Asforme&myhouse]

I agree with you on this also. The easy option is to retreat to Texas or Siberia. The harder option is to win.

Retreat and winning are not mutually exclusive. If it wasn’t for the “tactical retreat” these United States would still be waving the Union Jack, like you guys.

 

[FollowingHim]

Please elaborate. I don't know what you mean by either sentence, Samuel.

The psychologically easy thing to do is to try and preserve yourself and your family. Find a hopefully safer place and settle there, build a self-sufficient homestead / community. This is something that we can wrap our heads around, we can see what issues we might confront and work out how to solve them. The scale is small enough to conceptualise. The globalists may take over other places but at least we can try and get our corner of the world to survive through it.

The really difficult thing to do is to actually turn the tide of the cultural battle, so that we don't just have a corner of the world under our influence, but actually bring the whole world into submission to God. That is more difficult because it's impossible to see how.

Of course we don't actually need to understand everything. Each of us has a smaller role to play, and we only need to understand that role. And the two options are not mutually exclusive as @Asforme&myhouse points out - I was being highly simplistic in my previous one-line post.

 

[MemeFan]

Why do you assume I 'assume' anything of the sort?

I look at history, and cycles, and prophecy - all of which REPEAT (and rhyme).

That does NOT mean that this cycle is "the End." Neither does it mean that this could not be what Scripture refers to repeatedly, in places like Matthew 24.

But it IS 'the end' for people who take the poison poke, allow themselves and their children to be destroyed by paganism and ignorance, fail to "know the times and the seasons," and who - as Scripture ALWAYS also warns - "reject knowledge."

Becuase you use word prophecy. And my experience with your previous postings.

In my opinion we are late stage imperial bureacray breakdown.

 

[MemeFan]

The psychologically easy thing to do is to try and preserve yourself and your family. Find a hopefully safer place and settle there, build a self-sufficient homestead / community. This is something that we can wrap our heads around, we can see what issues we might confront and work out how to solve them. The scale is small enough to conceptualise. The globalists may take over other places but at least we can try and get our corner of the world to survive through it.

The really difficult thing to do is to actually turn the tide of the cultural battle, so that we don't just have a corner of the world under our influence, but actually bring the whole world into submission to God. That is more difficult because it's impossible to see how.

Of course we don't actually need to understand everything. Each of us has a smaller role to play, and we only need to understand that role. And the two options are not mutually exclusive as @Asforme&myhouse points out - I was being highly simplistic in my previous one-line post.

Just take over as mayor good decent sized settlement (5 figures people). In any breakdown authority will down to existing local authorities.

 

[MemeFan]

Another 'coincidence' is that, during winter 2019/2020 and during 2023/2024, a similar occurrence is in play: exports from China to the U.S. were then and are now WAY DOWN, which is another reason for idle ships. It's also why cargo containers are so cheaply available in the U.S., because, ever since 2019 it hasn't been cost effective for China to pay for the extra fuel to ship them all back there.

Cargo containers are cheap because US is in recession. Only gigantic government deficits stop from showing this in statistics. Private sector is certainly is.

Follow this X account:

https://twitter.com/FreightAlley

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Undoubtedly, far more people are hip to such a strategy (btw, what is the local skinny on the controversial selective NZ whistleblower leak about effects of the PDS?).

I join others in hoping this increasing wisdom will make enough of a difference. I pray that sufficient numbers of men worldwide are now prepared to be fully ungovernable (thank you, @The Revolting Man, for beaming that word into my lexicon), but, as I frequently lament in these forums and elsewhere, what I see is continued evidence to the contrary.

Bloody strange. It's Tom Luongo who create ungovernable "meme" and I qoute him most here.

And you find this from @The Revolting Man. Man,

1. The Deep State clearly marches forward toward stealing yet another election;

What is certain nobody will believe into legitimacy of election. It will move US toward breakdown unless Federal Government is cut into smaller size.

1. A far insufficient number of citizens appear to be prepared to be ungovernable.

No worries. Calcus of disobedience will move into positive direction with time. It's simply no reason to obey bureacracy who are against you. And they won't reform because they don't want to reduce their personnel, privilegies etc... So only solution is their removal.

@MemeFan, I happen to agree with you that we shouldn't assume we're in End Times, but, unfortunately, conformity requires little to no outside pressure, because it's an intrinsic motivation: the desire to conform and/or receive approval. It doesn't have to be coerced.

Except this time this can gone against them.

You are right about desire to conform. Horewer it only applies from respected people. We don't desire to make losers happy.

I'm believe it's Michael Malice who created meme "You think you hate corporate journalist enough". It has spread even more than "ungovernable" meme. I see it regulary used when some journo tries to shame somebody.

It's has practically blocked shaming ability of journalists. Instead they get shamed. It only matter of time before writing shaming pieces becomes dangerous for journo's life.

Key reason why covid scare was so effective is because it was able to divide families. Will work less next time.

You're not incorrect about this or about it being a factor, but fear of disapproval is just nowhere near as motivating for the average person as is desire for approval. Both are stronger motivations for women than for men, but most men have been so thoroughly feminized that they've become like women in this regard.

Survival is greater motivator than approval. Last time they were able to push idea that survival requires obedience. Next time opposite.

Maui fires hurt all state agency. Survivors hadn't obey police. Same with Uvalde shooting. That can only increase disobedice and reduce regime legitimacy.

I beg to differ. The United States has been in the bullseye of the crosshairs ever since the end of WWII, and the earnest purposeful destruction of our nation has been in action since the 1960s, both from within and from without. The O'Biden Administrations are just the most recent -- albeit probably the most blatant -- examples of that. The phrase 'Build Back Better' wasn't chosen haphazardly; it had already existed among global elites, and by direct implication it demonstrates the necessity of first wreaking total destruction (study Cloward and Piven, who were instrumental beginning in the 1960s in writing the majority of the DemocRAT Party's to-this-day-remaining platform). It also isn't incidental that no comprehensible comprehensive plans for building back better after the tear-down other than totalitarian measures like lockdowns, price controls, soft martial law and 15-minute cities have ever been formulated by the Destructors during their recent 60-year dominance of Western Civilization.

McCarthy was right. Too much Commies were in US government. Need to go back farther in time.

[I used to pooh-pooh 'chemtrails' but have since had to acknowledge that Alex Jones was even right about geoengineering in the skies. Besides engineered droughts, etc., something else is going on in earnest in many pockets of the American South: plants are growing if enough water is provided, and they look perfectly healthy, but for the last two years -- and especially this growing season -- they're producing little or no fruits or vegetables.]

Interesting.

The overarching problem related to all this, though, is that, in essence, in the World's Last Best Hope, the United States (and not that there aren't other countries with their heads screwed on more tightly, but they're just too small to be of global consequence),

US importance comes from fact that Fed is behaving as US central bank, not world central bank, althought it's world central bank.

Second reason is federalism. It makes is too hard to concentrate power in Washington.

Even in a group like this, we can only muster up a handful of women who are predominantly conscious of what would be required to set our world aright. The vast majority of women are entirely enamored of enough of feminism and the power it gives them to exploit men that women could never be counted on to stand up to the ruling class or the status quo.

Only men matter in long run because women follow men. Anyway, with weaking governemnt power corruptive influence will weaken normalizing women (and men).

When Russia invaded Ukraine and WW3 memes started going it seemed that all womanfolk suddenly wanted to become housewives.

Trump is great, and, who knows, maybe he'll produce a victory so overwhelming this time that it can't be stolen. But that just gives him 4 years to make some corrections.

Trump is poison. He only saving grace is being nationalist, not globalist.

I see far too many people resting on the laurels of waiting for some moment in time or some special individual to 'turn everything around.' Some of us probably even somewhat embrace all the gathering chaos because of the potential that brings us to either witness or play some special role in End Times. I, for one, though, don't think we're anywhere close to End Times. But what we are on the brink of is casually wishing-and-hoping our way right into some kind of long-term Malaise that Jimmy Carter only came close to imagining in the lead-up to the 1980 campaign against Reagan.

At this point, I don't see the tangible potential of any kind of Centralized Solution to thwart the Centralized Agenda the globalists and other dipshit elitist snobs have for the rest of us.

And this is real problem and why I consider Trump poison. Because national socialism (I don't mean Nazis) is only slighty worse that international socialism. Venezuela is perfect case study. Won't give control to globalists, still becomes shithole.

All central solutions imply streghtening of state, the source of our problems. We need to go opposite. The more local the better.

Revolution is absolute worst possible solution since it's so hypercentralizing. Best is neverending no and insistence on NAP and self-determination. It's will break with time massive centralization and most importantly do it in peaceful way.

War also does centralization. And don't forgot war excuse is best way to crush dissidents. Just check Ukraine.

For US this means every year same politics: federal government must be smaller and state governments must be more disobedient to federales.

What I do see, though, is at least some remaining potential for thwarting all that if enough individual men retake the high ground with their women.

Will take way more, foremost truth telling and acceptace of truth.

Totally in agreement with you, Samuel (and anyone else holding this position), because there are people and places the globalists will never bother to tame (just look into how little governance Russia or the Soviet Union have ever inflicted on far eastern Russia). However . . . I see focusing on getting off grid and/or homesteading and/or going full rural to be woefully inadequate and even somewhat capitulationistic. If the SHTF happens and those of us prepared to stand tall and rebuild are scattered to the far winds -- as opposed to representing a small but significant presence everywhere -- the return from temporal tribulation will take additional decades or even centuries, depending on the initial cataclysmic catalyst.

I agree with a friend here who has lately been emphasizing to me the need for community, but, again, we have to keep the horse before the cart. At many in-person Biblical Families gatherings, I've observed (often whiskey-and-moonshine-fueled) lofty discussions about how great it would be for all of us to move together to live in the same place, but just doing that would be a matter of addressing a symptom rather than a cause. We are admittedly dooming our individual families to beyond-a-generation-or-two failure if we all move ourselves to individually-isolated safe places, but if we move a bunch of us together before first addressing all the elephants in the room that would pop our self-defined-patriarch bubbles, I can't imagine a more hopeful prognosis.

Why? Does plan include tropical island which imply social isolation?

Better to move to Argentina, even without Milei victory. State is dsyfunctional which is most important why. They couldn't implement Agenda 2030 no matter how much they wanted.

 

[Mark C]

You are right about desire to conform. Horewer it only applies from respected people. We don't desire to make losers happy.

Why then does AmeriKa have a senile criminal serial-abuser sellout pretending to be 'president' in spite of so many obvious facts?

 

[Mark C]

The psychologically easy thing to do is to try and preserve yourself and your family.

Why, then, when families WORLDWIDE were being destroyed, and children tortured, by "mask" mandates, lockdowns, and death-by-lethal-injection mandates, did so VERY FEW of them simply even say "NO"?

...The really difficult thing to do is to actually turn the tide of the cultural battle, so that we don't just have a corner of the world under our influence, but actually bring the whole world into submission to God. That is more difficult because it's impossible to see how.

Here I disagree, very much, again.

YHVH has TOLD us 'how'.

"Choose life!"
"Choose this day Whom you will serve." And, "Him alone."
"Study to show yourself approved."

And "come out of her, My people," so that you do not "participate in her sins," and thus "partake of her plagues."

It doesn't require participating in a rigged election. It doesn't require a lawsuit in a crooked court. It doesn't require asking a corrupt gestapo agency to "investigate."

It doesn't even require convincing a majority of the non-remnant to help.

All it takes is having the backbone to "come out".

You really wanna "bring the whole world into submission to God?" Start with your own house. Show them what a man looks like who will NOT SUBMIT to Evil.

 

[MemeFan]

Why then does AmeriKa have a senile criminal serial-abuser sellout pretending to be 'president' in spite of so many obvious facts?

Stolen election.

Besides, US government legitimacy doesn't come who is in charge, but of election and structurecof government.

 

[Joleneakamama]

Before the term 'ungovernable' (which I like) became semi-popular, I was fond of the concept of we should be like "herding cats."

Ever try herding chickens? I think it would make anyone lose it.

 

[Keith Martin]

Survival is greater motivator than approval.

Sheep behavior and prevalence of morbid obesity would argue for a different conclusion.

 

[Keith Martin]

Why then does AmeriKa have a senile criminal serial-abuser sellout pretending to be 'president' in spite of so many obvious facts?

Stolen election.

But your survival supremacy assertion would result in populace immediately rising up against the stolen election.

 

[Keith Martin]

The psychologically easy thing to do is to try and preserve yourself and your family. Find a hopefully safer place and settle there, build a self-sufficient homestead / community. This is something that we can wrap our heads around, we can see what issues we might confront and work out how to solve them. The scale is small enough to conceptualise. The globalists may take over other places but at least we can try and get our corner of the world to survive through it.

The really difficult thing to do is to actually turn the tide of the cultural battle, so that we don't just have a corner of the world under our influence, but actually bring the whole world into submission to God. That is more difficult because it's impossible to see how.

Of course we don't actually need to understand everything. Each of us has a smaller role to play, and we only need to understand that role. And the two options are not mutually exclusive as @Asforme&myhouse points out - I was being highly simplistic in my previous one-line post.

Thank you for the elaboration. I suppose I could quibble about whether protecting one's family is actually 'easy,' but I get that point.

I will just add, sympathetic to what @Mark C wrote, that, in addition to it not being a simplistic dichotomy, the only sensible extrapolation is to encourage headship establishment among associates and then support the implementation of it while also accepting reciprocal support rather than getting stuck in being an isolated 'patriarchal' island.

 

[Mark C]

Ever try herding chickens? I think it would make anyone lose it.

Actually, done that. Not as hard as you think, by a long shot. (try a bit o' grain...)

 

[Mark C]

But your survival supremacy assertion would result in populace immediately rising up against the stolen election.

I thought the brilliant "stolen election" retort was pretty obvious, Keith, given the phrasing.

Pollyanna claims don't impress. And 'legitimacy' doesn't come from traitors.

 

[Mark C]

...encourage headship establishment among associates and then support the implementation of it while also accepting reciprocal support rather than getting stuck in being an isolated 'patriarchal' island.

Don't forget: Whether he wanted to or not, Noah was.

(And it was smaller than an island.)