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Some Einstein sh..tuff, science discussion

Just like space travel, heavier than air flight, steamships, breaking the speed of sound, lasers, nuclear power, microbiology, heart transplants, electronic computers, telephones, radio, television, color television, automobiles, refrigerators, microwave ovens, touch screen technology, light bulbs, smartphones, the internet, vaccines, and etc.
Cum Hoc fallacy.
Time dilation has been demonstrated. I guess you missed the memo.

They proved a "clock" moved faster. Post Hoc fallacy.

No, time is not the same for everyone if they're not all moving at the same speed. You can deny this and stick your fingers in your ears and scream "Lalalalalalalalalalalala!!!" and that won't change a thing, it has been demonstrated and the results reproduced.

Red shift is also a thing. Gravitational lensing, predicted by Einstein, is also a thing.
I have never denied Red shift or gravitational lensing. Red shift is evidence that God stretched out the heavens. Gravitationallensing is not caused by this hocus pocus curvature of space time. It is caused by the very thing that Einstein denied exists. There is a very real ZPE as has been verified by the Kassimir experiment.

You would be famous if you can substantially prove Einstein wrong. You should do so.
Nikota Tesla beat me to it.
 
FYI (and "I have no dog in this hunt) --
there are processes and associated mathematics that involve the concept of "negative time" (which has nothing to do with whether 'time travel' is possible).

Look up "convolution integral." It has engineering applications in signal transform theory. (From "time domain" to "frequency domain," and vice-versa; see also Fourier Transform.)
Well that is not what we are discussing. signal processing is very complex and requires knowledge of the past, but cannot rely on predictions of the future.
 
That is the Argument From Motive fallacy. It has absolutely nothing to do with you having issues with HPT.
I don't believe you. For you, HPT is part of your faith and probably identity. This is why you so sticky with HPT. I doubt are even able to try to become more objective toward HPT because any issues with HPT will cause identity/faith crisis with you.

Here is test. Provide at least one issue/evidence against HPT. No theory is perfect, so there must be some anomalies.


Abillity to remember the past. It has nothing to do with physics. It has everything to do with Wolfram's ridiculous assertions.


Well we can agree that time is moving forward. Wolfram seems to be arguing that time is some crazy complex geometric calculation that goes in multiple directions, and only SEEMS to move forward. I would argue that is seems to move forward because it does move forward.
No, we can't agree that time moves forward. Maybe time goes backwards in special cases, however brain's intepretation is always time going forward.

You are entered into epistemiology.

NOBODY SEES REALITY AS IT IS BECAUSE WE ARE LIMITED BY OUR SENSES THEMSELVES AND SENSE-MAKING BRAIN/MIND PROCESSES.

You don't see moving object where it is. You see prediction of where brain thinks moving object will be. Why? Because info of moving objects doesn't show automatically and immediately in mind. Info must travel by light, then by nerves and into info-processing part of brain which means that info-processing part receives past, not now.

Therefore before mind becomes aware, brain must make prediction where object is now before making any decision what to do with object.

Imagine playing ping pong without ball's location prediction. You will always miss ball.

Nope! Can't change the past. All we can do is do our part to affect the future. The past is enjoyable to look back at and reminisence. How many people, if they could go back and change the past, would do so. Perhaps your parents or mine might have married other people, Back to the Future style, and then you or I would vanish as if we had never existed "It's A Wonderful Life" style. I don't now what the future holds, but I do know who holds the future!
You can't prove it's impossible because as per Karl Popper we can't prove any scientific theory. We can only prove they are false.

Yeah, I wouldn't boast about that, if I were you.
I saw what my whole class didn't. I just didn't do full math correctly.
Time travel is and will always remain in the realm of science fiction.
See my Karl Popper comment.

Ugh! Time dilation is a farce!


Seriously! We have already dealt with this nonsense. It is not falsifiable. Einstein was wrong! Time is the same for everybody, There is a past and there is a future, and there is a chain of events that has happened, is happening, and will happen, and only God and those whom He chooses to reveal it to, can know the future.
So your contribution is zero evidence backing your claims. Which means you don't have them?

Also again epistemiology. Brain can perceive time as same for everybody which means we may not see time going backwards naturally. To notice time going backwards would require physics theory allowing time being negative and very devious experiment with only one reasonable explanation.

Again, just before 20th man couldn't fly, doesn't mean man's flying is impossible, only that then current knowledge and methods were inadequate for flight. Or motivation was missing in people.

Wrong, wrong and wrong. Einstein based his ideas on the deeply flawed theories of relativity. He denied the existence of the ether. We know though, that the ether DOES exist.
What ether has with relativity?

Einstein's theories deal with macro scale, not nano and below. If prediction on macro scale are correct then theory is useful.

And even if one prediction is wrong, it doesn't mean rest is garbage.

Even if our understanding is wrong why heat and temperature exist, doesn't mean that all knowledge involving heat and temperature is wrong.

Correction: based on establishment ideas. Prove me wrong! Go ahead and manipulate time! We have had decades to work out this problem. Go ahead! Move forward or backwards in time. Meanwhile, I will take it one day at a time and be grateful for each day that God gives me, and for the fact that He allowed me to be born at this time and place, where we can explore the world that He has fiven us.
Paragraf proving you see our "questioning of your scientific paradigm" as personal "attack on your faith". You have tendecy not to provide scientific proof, but to speak about your faith.

Also see my comment about before 20th century flight for time manipulation.
Cum Hoc fallacy.

They proved a "clock" moved faster. Post Hoc fallacy.
Incorrect usage. Just because A happened before B, doesn't mean A is cause of B. However, causality requires A happening before B which implies such fallacies are only cautions in thinking.

Also, zero useful info why experiment with clock is wrong. Claiming fallacy isn't scientific proof.

For everything I don't like, I claim fallacy (or farce) seems your modus operandi.

I have never denied Red shift or gravitational lensing. Red shift is evidence that God stretched out the heavens. Gravitationallensing is not caused by this hocus pocus curvature of space time. It is caused by the very thing that Einstein denied exists. There is a very real ZPE as has been verified by the Kassimir experiment.
Lord doing something isn't scientific proof.

Science deals with natural causes, in another word something caused by events, materials etc... in nature itself. It has zero with Lord's activities.

Nikota Tesla beat me to it.
Maybe Tesla was one wrong here. After all, experiments prove Tesla wrong here.

Btw, how it's possible to create totally bonkers theory as per Tesla which still provides good predictions?

Well that is not what we are discussing. signal processing is very complex and requires knowledge of the past, but cannot rely on predictions of the future.
They matter. If mathemathics allows negative time, then physists have to prove going backwards is impossible.
 
Just like space travel, heavier than air flight, steamships, breaking the speed of sound, lasers, nuclear power, microbiology, heart transplants, electronic computers, telephones, radio, television, color television, automobiles, refrigerators, microwave ovens, touch screen technology, light bulbs, smartphones, the internet, vaccines, and etc.

Cum Hoc fallacy.

No, not in the context I posted this.

Dull and unimaginative minds have long dismissed things as impossible when they were in fact possible. They rather often mocked the people who were working on these various innovations. Robert Fulton was mocked when he launched his pioneering steamship and the educated simpletons called it Fulton's Folly.

Robert Goddard was denounced as a crackpot for his ridiculous and laughable ideas about space flight.

Most all of the people who invented anything we now take for common were at one point or another mocked or ridiculed by small little minds who slavishly obeyed the orthodox thinking of their day and who, when given the opportunity, would even violently repress anyone who dared to pursue their dreams.

We know very little about time yet here you are daring to pronounce that time travel is patently impossible when no one alive knows much about it at all. It is certainly impossible for you but whether or not it is impossible for someone else remains to be seen.

Not so many years ago artificial intelligence was often dismissed as impossible science fiction. Yet since the public advent of AI in November 2022 it has become ubiquitous.

Not long ago any mention of UFOs would elicit guffaws and mockery from most people. Now the military acknowledges these things are real, whatever they are, and more and more information is being made public.

Quantum computing was likewise the stuff of science fiction and now it's expected to hit the consumer market around 2029.

If you want to believe that manipulating time is impossible then for you it is.

Myself, I have read enough history to know that impossible things have been accomplished over and over in human history and more such things will be accomplished in the years to come. Maybe time travel of some sort will be one of them, maybe it won't. But I am not so arrogant as to declare it to be impossible when so little is known about it at the current time.
 
No, not in the context I posted this.

Dull and unimaginative minds have long dismissed things as impossible when they were in fact possible. They rather often mocked the people who were working on these various innovations. Robert Fulton was mocked when he launched his pioneering steamship and the educated simpletons called it Fulton's Folly.

Robert Goddard was denounced as a crackpot for his ridiculous and laughable ideas about space flight.

Most all of the people who invented anything we now take for common were at one point or another mocked or ridiculed by small little minds who slavishly obeyed the orthodox thinking of their day and who, when given the opportunity, would even violently repress anyone who dared to pursue their dreams.

We know very little about time yet here you are daring to pronounce that time travel is patently impossible when no one alive knows much about it at all.
Time is nothing more than a measurement that we came up with for estimating the reliability of specific events. Think of Yoda claiming to be 900 years old. Well, what is a year? How does that work in a galctic war, where a year for one planet might be one duration of time, whereas a year for another planet, is quote different. You have lost your ever loving mond, if you think time travel is comparable to these other events. It is a Cum Hoc fallacy to say that certain things that were thought to be impossible, by a few people, means that ANYTHING is possible! Good grief! Next your going to suggest that a miniaturizer will one day be possible! After all, lots of people think it is not!

It is certainly impossible for you but whether or not it is impossible for someone else remains to be seen.
Argument from the future.

Not so many years ago artificial intelligence was often dismissed as impossible science fiction. Yet since the public advent of AI in November 2022 it has become ubiquitous.
AI waas made possible by increased computing power.

Not long ago any mention of UFOs would elicit guffaws and mockery from most people. Now the military acknowledges these things are real, whatever they are, and more and more information is being made public.
Yeah, I would need to see more iof that information. Chuck Missler postulated that these were spiritual beings, and not all of them were benevolent.

Quantum computing was likewise the stuff of science fiction and now it's expected to hit the consumer market around 2029.

If you want to believe that manipulating time is impossible then for you it is.
Well, where would we even begin? It is sort of like inventing a "God detector". We would have to know what materials to search for. Time is not even a material object!

Myself, I have read enough history to know that impossible things have been accomplished over and over in human history and more such things will be accomplished in the years to come. Maybe time travel of some sort will be one of them, maybe it won't. But I am not so arrogant as to declare it to be impossible when so little is known about it at the current time.
There is a huge difference between impossible things, and things that some people have thought were impossible. ACTUAL impossible things, are things that defy the real world.
 
Time dilation has been demonstrated. I guess you missed the memo.

The only thing that has been demonstrated, is that some clocks can move faster. Time itself has not changed.

 
No, not in the context I posted this.

Dull and unimaginative minds have long dismissed things as impossible when they were in fact possible. They rather often mocked the people who were working on these various innovations. Robert Fulton was mocked when he launched his pioneering steamship and the educated simpletons called it Fulton's Folly.

Robert Goddard was denounced as a crackpot for his ridiculous and laughable ideas about space flight.

Most all of the people who invented anything we now take for common were at one point or another mocked or ridiculed by small little minds who slavishly obeyed the orthodox thinking of their day and who, when given the opportunity, would even violently repress anyone who dared to pursue their dreams.

We know very little about time yet here you are daring to pronounce that time travel is patently impossible when no one alive knows much about it at all. It is certainly impossible for you but whether or not it is impossible for someone else remains to be seen.

Not so many years ago artificial intelligence was often dismissed as impossible science fiction. Yet since the public advent of AI in November 2022 it has become ubiquitous.

Not long ago any mention of UFOs would elicit guffaws and mockery from most people. Now the military acknowledges these things are real, whatever they are, and more and more information is being made public.

Quantum computing was likewise the stuff of science fiction and now it's expected to hit the consumer market around 2029.

If you want to believe that manipulating time is impossible then for you it is.

Myself, I have read enough history to know that impossible things have been accomplished over and over in human history and more such things will be accomplished in the years to come. Maybe time travel of some sort will be one of them, maybe it won't. But I am not so arrogant as to declare it to be impossible when so little is known about it at the current time.
I'll tell you what! Since you are so confident, I will throw down the gauntlet for you. In "Back to the Future II", Biff takes a ledger of all the World Series Champions back to his younger self. Why don't you do something similar with stock tips, for the next three weeks. Leave instructions for your descendants, should this time machine not get invented in your lifetime, including instructions on how to recognize a computer and how to turn it on. They need to return to April 20th through April 22nd 2025. In the next couple of days, I expect to see the top five performing stocks from the three Major stock indexes for each day in the coming three weeks. If I do not see a post here in this forum, then we will know that a time machine will never be invented. If I do see one, and it turns out to be accurate, then we will know that eventually one will be invented. If it turns out to be a bunch of random guesses, then we will know that it is fraudulent.
 
These were same from "my big post".
Which were? Go back and read my responses!
My calculations in big post show opposite.
That is nonessential to the validity of the theory, but if you, by your own admission, struggle with math, I think I would stick with Brown's calculations.
This is impossible. Biological organisms only create left-chirality proteins, never right chirality.
Gotcha. Did you post a link citing where you got this information?
Only in laboratory you get right chirality. Btw, just taking right chirality proteins can kill you.
OK, I misunderstood.
Really???? So do you believe this tectonic globaloney!!! I have got a bridge I'd like to sell you! I have some snake oil too, that you might be interested in!

I'm not sore.
Well, I can see that you are not sore any more. You literally said

I'm out. This conversation doesn't have anymore sense for me.
Well, I guess you are not out after all! Glad to have you back!
 
I don't believe you. For you, HPT is part of your faith and probably identity. This is why you so sticky with HPT. I doubt are even able to try to become more objective toward HPT because any issues with HPT will cause identity/faith crisis with you.
So if HPT were wrong, I wouldn't know what to believe as far as the veracity of Scripture, but I can say that there are a LOT of physical evidences that do in fact work out with the HPT, and there are some things, I still haven't quite worked out.

Here is test. Provide at least one issue/evidence against HPT. No theory is perfect, so there must be some anomalies.
I have often wondered why if there was a ridge under the Rocky Mountains, why the two ridges wouldn't balance each other out, and prevent the plates from sliding in either direction, but I suppose that could have been a timing issue, where the pacific buckling upward action did not transpire until after the plates had started sliding. A;so, when I look at the Mid oceanic ridge, it does seem to vanish North of Scandinavia. I have a few other head scratchers, I will post when I can recall what they are. You must have missed the post where I stated quite clearly that I hadn't quite worked out everything in HPT.
No, we can't agree that time moves forward. Maybe time goes backwards in special cases, however brain's intepretation is always time going forward.
In the physical realm, no. In the Spiritual realm, of course it does. That is how John was able to see his revelation of what is to take place. We cannot explain the spiritual realm. Should God grnt you the ability to see the future, and you have this gift of prophecy, we will listen to what you have to say, but we will also hold anyone who does prophecy, to account for their prophecies, in order to test the spirits. II Peter tells us how prohpets were moved by the Ruach, but then he goes on to warn that there were also false prophets.
You are entered into epistemiology.

NOBODY SEES REALITY AS IT IS BECAUSE WE ARE LIMITED BY OUR SENSES THEMSELVES AND SENSE-MAKING BRAIN/MIND PROCESSES.
Well according to that defintion of reality, I don't see where we disagree, IF and ONLY IF, you understand that the spiritual realm is not something we ought to be manipulating. Scripture warns us quite often about evil spirits. They are more than willing to grant you whatever your heart desires, but it comes at a price. I recommend some Chris White Youtube videos, and also some of the GoodFightMinistries videos as well.

You don't see moving object where it is. You see prediction of where brain thinks moving object will be. Why? Because info of moving objects doesn't show automatically and immediately in mind. Info must travel by light, then by nerves and into info-processing part of brain which means that info-processing part receives past, not now.
So again, you are describing the physical realm. This realm obeys Newton's laws. Divine beings and evil spirits certainly have the ability to manipulate this.

Therefore before mind becomes aware, brain must make prediction where object is now before making any decision what to do with object.

Imagine playing ping pong without ball's location prediction. You will always miss ball.


You can't prove it's impossible because as per Karl Popper we can't prove any scientific theory. We can only prove they are false.
I proved that either a time machine will never be invented, or Megan doesn't really believe that it will be invented as much as she claims to believe it, since there has not been a post in the past few days, forecasting the stock market for the next three weeks. I threw down the gauntlet for her, and either she has not been recording the stock market for herself or her posterity, to come here and give us this wonderful insight, or there will never be a time machine invented, that will be available for any of her descendants to come, to take them back to our time, and give us this uncannily predicatble insight.

I saw what my whole class didn't. I just didn't do full math correctly.
LOLOL ROTFL!!!!!

See my Karl Popper comment.
Well it seems to me that one of two possibilities has been proven, and Megan is free to shed some light on which one it is.
So your contribution is zero evidence backing your claims. Which means you don't have them?
Enlighten yourself. Watch Mr. Flemings video that I just posted.

Also again epistemiology. Brain can perceive time as same for everybody which means we may not see time going backwards naturally. To notice time going backwards would require physics theory allowing time being negative and very devious experiment with only one reasonable explanation.
You know if you get in a dark room with a bunch of candles with a medium, she just may be able to conjure up spirits of the dead for you. Then again, you may find yourself dealing with sleep paralysis as a result of messing around with occultic practices. Newton's theories have served us just fine. Neo-Newtonian theories such as Stochastic Electrodynamics, are bulding upon that. Einstein set the entire science community backwards. Nikota Tesla recognized that Einstein was a crock.
Again, just before 20th man couldn't fly, doesn't mean man's flying is impossible, only that then current knowledge and methods were inadequate for flight. Or motivation was missing in people.
Well they DID have hot air balloons. Look! If you want to believe in science fiction, go ahead and believe that to your hearts content, but this is a Cum Hoc fallacy. I have laid out a number of science fiction concepts that will always remain science fiction. The time machine is one of them. The transporter is another, as is the minaturizer. I will look it up to see which thread I posted that in.
What ether has with relativity?
It shows that there is a plausible alternative to reltivity. Go back and watch the videos I posted on Einstein's lies. It should be on the first couple of pages in this thread.
Einstein's theories deal with macro scale, not nano and below. If prediction on macro scale are correct then theory is useful.
But the mechanism is wrong. If we can get the same predictions on a theory that does not violate what we know to be true on the quantum level, we can discard relativity.
And even if one prediction is wrong, it doesn't mean rest is garbage.
And you want to call me out for being a true believer in HPT!

Even if our understanding is wrong why heat and temperature exist, doesn't mean that all knowledge involving heat and temperature is wrong.
I am not sure what that has to do with relativity.
Paragraf proving you see our "questioning of your scientific paradigm" as personal "attack on your faith". You have tendecy not to provide scientific proof, but to speak about your faith.
And I readily admitted that I can be a doubting Thomas at times.

Also see my comment about before 20th century flight for time manipulation.
That is the same tired Cum Hoc fallacy argument that Megan has been spouting!
Incorrect usage. Just because A happened before B, doesn't mean A is cause of B. However, causality requires A happening before B which implies such fallacies are only cautions in thinking.
No it isn't! Who is trying to prove what? She was using that article as evidence for time dilation. Fleming has a better explanation here. The clocks are experiencing the interaction with the ZPE AKA the aether, and that is supposed to prove that time itself moved at a different rate????? Give me a break!
Also, zero useful info why experiment with clock is wrong. Claiming fallacy isn't scientific proof.
I was not trying to prove anything!
For everything I don't like, I claim fallacy (or farce) seems your modus operandi.
Yes! I don't like when people invoke Logical Fallacies, because Logical Fallacies are used for the sole purpose of deceiving others! Pointing out which Logical Fallacy has been employed, is much simpler than trying to explain why their so-called "proof" is invalid.
Lord doing something isn't scientific proof.
OK, well the Bible says that He did do it. Seven times it says that God stretched out the heavens. Redshift is the result! I am not claiming that God saying that He did it, is proof. The Redshift is the evidence. We can trust the Word of God. I will find a video of Barry Setterfield for you, where he explains this.
Science deals with natural causes, in another word something caused by events, materials etc... in nature itself. It has zero with Lord's activities.
Events such as the heavens being stretched out. Are you trying to claim that God didn't do, what His Word clearly says that He did, and that we can see evidence that it has occurred?
Maybe Tesla was one wrong here. After all, experiments prove Tesla wrong here.
Ugh! Which experiments have proven him wrong?
Btw, how it's possible to create totally bonkers theory as per Tesla which still provides good predictions?
Which theory are you referring to?
They matter. If mathemathics allows negative time, then physists have to prove going backwards is impossible.
Well, are you up for the Biff challenge? Go ahead and keep a record of the top five perfoming stocks over the next three weeks, and make sure that this record is handed down to someone who will in the future, go back in time to the present, and make sure that we all can see what it will be. I am calling your bluff, just like I did with Megan. If someone comes on here Apr 28th through Apr 30th, and posts this valuable insight, I will acknowledge, provided that information turns out to be accurate, that one day a time machine will be built. If that does not happen, are you willing to acknowledge that this will never happen? Put up or shut up!
 
I proved that either a time machine will never be invented, or Megan doesn't really believe that it will be invented as much as she claims to believe it, since there has not been a post in the past few days, forecasting the stock market for the next three weeks. I threw down the gauntlet for her, and either she has not been recording the stock market for herself or her posterity, to come here and give us this wonderful insight, or there will never be a time machine invented, that will be available for any of her descendants to come, to take them back to our time, and give us this uncannily predicatble insight.

Story I heard.... From the future.....

BiblicalFamilies.org had become so popular that they had to put it behind a paywall and limit the number of subscribers to keep the forum from scrolling so fast that the page counter couldn't keep up. So, in the future, Megan tried to post but had lost her access. Too many subscribers already so she just sent herself an email instead. That email has made her so much money that today she is busy spending it on important things and only time will tell if she ever has time for us little people again. :)

Just something I heard... :-)
 
Story I heard.... From the future.....

BiblicalFamilies.org had become so popular that they had to put it behind a paywall and limit the number of subscribers to keep the forum from scrolling so fast that the page counter couldn't keep up. So, in the future, Megan tried to post but had lost her access. Too many subscribers already so she just sent herself an email instead. That email has made her so much money that today she is busy spending it on important things and only time will tell if she ever has time for us little people again. :)

Just something I heard... :-)

Well, I will say that two years ago I was doing some work for someone and he told me to buy stock in Palantir Technologies (PLTR) and I bought in at $7.88 and I am right now seeing it going past $112.78.

Not too bad.
 
Well, I will say that two years ago I was doing some work for someone and he told me to buy stock in Palantir Technologies (PLTR) and I bought in at $7.88 and I am right now seeing it going past $112.78.

Not too bad.
How much did you buy? Obviously, this challenge is a little more comparable to Biff's winning streak with the World Series Championships, because it requires more than a purchase of a single stock. That is a real nice ROI though! The stock market is like a casino, except that the odds are stacked in your favor instead of in favor of the house. IOW, you will win some and you will lose some. Also, some tips may be considered insider trading.

Caution! Anyone who buys or sells based on knowlege that is not public knowlege, can face stiff prison time in a federal prison. However, I do not think that this applies to someone coming back from the future, since it would have to be codified into law specifying that trading based on knowlege from someone who comes from the future, is illegal. It is also enshrined in the Bill of Rights that we are protected from laws that were not enacted at the time the activity took place.
 
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Story I heard.... From the future.....

BiblicalFamilies.org had become so popular that they had to put it behind a paywall and limit the number of subscribers to keep the forum from scrolling so fast that the page counter couldn't keep up. So, in the future, Megan tried to post but had lost her access. Too many subscribers already so she just sent herself an email instead. That email has made her so much money that today she is busy spending it on important things and only time will tell if she ever has time for us little people again. :)

Just something I heard... :-)
Well the only flaw in that, is that Biblical Families has not yet reached that level of popularity, and she or any one of her posterity, if they had gone back in the past to April 20th, could have created a new account. It doesn't really matter what Biblical Families popularity will be in the future, if she or anyone else were able to go back in time to that date. She could have just used her current account and password, if she were to have done so.
 
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Well the only flaw in that, is that Biblical Families has not yet reached that level of popularity, and she or any one of her posterity, if they had gone back in the past to April 20th, could have created a new account. It doesn't really matter what Biblical Families popularity will be in the future, if she or anyone else were able to go back in time to that date. She could have just used her current account and password, if she were to have done so.
Tiny rips in the space time continuum.... It is very unpredictable... It is what it is. :-)
 
Not enough. Sometimes I am too risk averse.
It’s best not to bet the farm, even on a sure thing.

You bet what you could afford to lose, and came away with some jingle in your pocket.
That’s a W.
 
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