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January 20th 2025 - Donald Trump is BACK!
- Thread starter Man_in_the_Middle
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It has to do with how weak and soft the population is. 500 million Europeans are pretty weak and soft. The Americans are somewhere in the middle. The Russians aren't weak and soft.
FWIW I'm not calling the Poles weak and soft. I'm calling the Germans, British, French, Dutch, Belgians, and Danes weak and soft.
If the US gets a single ton or rare earth ore from Ukraine, it'll be about 2000 lbs more than it got for the first couple hundred billion dollars.
Maybe I misunderstand your meaning, but Trump isn’t contracting ore for future help.
It’s all to pay us back for what Biden gave them.
It's not really to pay back for what Biden gave them. That's PR - when you think about it you realise he'd want this deal even without Biden's donations, and if he'd want it anyway it's not about that. In reality nobody will be expecting to get that money back.
It's to set up a long-term commercial arrangement that will give security of supply of critical minerals that may otherwise need to be purchased from adversaries like China and Russia. He's a businessman and this is both good business and good for national security. He'll likely end up making similar deals with other countries also in order to get security of supply for the full range of minerals the US needs, as Ukraine can't supply everything.
The fact that it could help secure a ceasefire in Ukraine is a bonus.
It's to set up a long-term commercial arrangement that will give security of supply of critical minerals that may otherwise need to be purchased from adversaries like China and Russia. He's a businessman and this is both good business and good for national security. He'll likely end up making similar deals with other countries also in order to get security of supply for the full range of minerals the US needs, as Ukraine can't supply everything.
The fact that it could help secure a ceasefire in Ukraine is a bonus.
Who normal would be willing to die for regime?
Same problem would exist even if there were not soft people.
Which government in West, except current US, Hungary and Slovakian doesn't hate it's population?
What else do you expect from Euro commies? Subsidies baby, keep them flowing.
Besides, some in Europe believe US will save them from every BS they voluntarily enter. Hint: Churchill.
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If Trump is businessman, then Ukraine is unprofitable venture which needs to be closed.
He can do it himself or let Putin do it. He can get minerals either way (it doesn't matter who wins war). In case of Russia winning, it's in Russia interest to balance China with US and here allowing US companies to minerals will help.
Besides, Ukraine is done. Musk has told he will remove Starlink starting March for Ukraine army which is only workable way Ukraine army communicates which Russians weren't able to defeat. This info would need confirmation.
Why should Europeans die to protect Ukraine from Russia, when they won't even protect their own countries from being invaded by hordes of foreign Muslims.
Like you said, the governments of Europe (other than Hungary and Slovakia) seem to hate their own populations.
As an American, it is so refreshing to finally have a leader that doesn't hate us.
I think that these “leaders” are into the whole reduction of population for the sake of the globe thing.
They have no concern about lives and WWWIII is not at all inconvenient as part of the process. Destruction of the environment in the process is also not a problem. But they are happy to shut down food production if it inconveniences an obscure species, the only goal is to control and reduce the human species.
They have no concern about lives and WWWIII is not at all inconvenient as part of the process. Destruction of the environment in the process is also not a problem. But they are happy to shut down food production if it inconveniences an obscure species, the only goal is to control and reduce the human species.
Problem is that these leaders want to stay on top of society after war. If they can't, then their sacrifice is useless.
I wonder if Romania might get a repeat of 1989.
Maybe. I hope so.
There is no fight in Ukraine without Poland/Romania.
Russians have today/yesterday hit ship carrying British military equipment in Black Sea. It's simply harder to transport equipment by sea.*
*Usually sea is better, horewer most stuff doesn't have secrecy requirements which covers both transport vehicles itself and putting stuff in/on transport. It's easier to spy on sea transport than road.
The new tariffs will be interesting, as these things have unexpected flow-on effects. Did you know that last time he was elected, Trump caused wholesale wool prices to crash in New Zealand, making wool no longer pay for the cost of shearing it off the sheep?
Here's a chart of coarse crossbred wool average auction prices in NZ (c/kg) over the past 20 years. Look at the crash in late 2016, prices basically halved between mid-2016 and mid-2017.
Now, you can't blame such things entirely on one factor, many different things caused all those other wiggles on the chart, the world does not revolve around US internal politics. But it's a major contributor to this specific movement. When Trump was elected in 2016, there was uncertainty in China about tariffs. Most wool textile processing is in China, so China is the primary customer for wholesale wool - and the USA is a major market for them selling top end retail products. So when the Chinese got worried that Trump might put tariffs on textile imports, they stopped buying so much from New Zealand, and the prices received by NZ farmers crashed. And have not recovered since. There has been no such crash since his latest election, as this threat is likely already partly priced into the market - but it may drop further if the new tariffs actually happen.
If the new tariffs go ahead on China, what will it mean all around the world? The implications may surprise us all. Since China is so central to the global economy, there may be both good and bad effects on people and industries that you would never have thought of in countries you would have thought were completely unrelated.
Here's a chart of coarse crossbred wool average auction prices in NZ (c/kg) over the past 20 years. Look at the crash in late 2016, prices basically halved between mid-2016 and mid-2017.
Now, you can't blame such things entirely on one factor, many different things caused all those other wiggles on the chart, the world does not revolve around US internal politics. But it's a major contributor to this specific movement. When Trump was elected in 2016, there was uncertainty in China about tariffs. Most wool textile processing is in China, so China is the primary customer for wholesale wool - and the USA is a major market for them selling top end retail products. So when the Chinese got worried that Trump might put tariffs on textile imports, they stopped buying so much from New Zealand, and the prices received by NZ farmers crashed. And have not recovered since. There has been no such crash since his latest election, as this threat is likely already partly priced into the market - but it may drop further if the new tariffs actually happen.
If the new tariffs go ahead on China, what will it mean all around the world? The implications may surprise us all. Since China is so central to the global economy, there may be both good and bad effects on people and industries that you would never have thought of in countries you would have thought were completely unrelated.
Global production will fall and people will be poorer. Tricky part is which.
From when taxes have raised living standards?
If this was as simple as just adding tariffs, first the people paying the tax would be poorer (US residents), then the implications would mean people in other places earned either more or less as markets adjusted to the new landscape. However the cost may be neutral if this allows Trump to reduce other taxes, either present or future, by collecting the money through tariffs instead.
Tariffs are not bad. Some tax is necessary, and tariffs are a very clean form of taxation. The US government is perfectly within its rights to change how it taxes US citizens, and this way makes far more sense than alternatives like income tax. The market implications will just be interesting and may throw up some surprises.
Ain't so simple. Depending on market, sometimes customer will pay whole tariffs, sometimes sellers and usually, some combination.
If buyers have no choice, then whole tariff will fall on them.
Looking from societal perspective. Importers will suffer and they pay for exporting, so exporters will join suffering party.
And there won't be lower taxation, now or future if spending isn't reduced.
All taxes are bad because they distimulate morality, living standards, innovation.
We already had Christian societies without taxes. We don't need them.
They can make income tax consumption based by removing dividend, capital gains and all other investments income taxation.
Advantage of consumption based taxation is no double taxation because they only tax once: at consumption.
On picture make income tax look like left side. By they way, in this case tax is collected when money is earned, pure retail sales tax would collect money when it's spend.
Issue with tariffs is market non-neutrality. Ideal tax doesn't prefer some participants in market which is true for flat sales taxes and wrong for tariffs.
Tariffs would maximize privacy and lower admin for average American.
That's true.
Some of the tariffs cause goods that can be produced in the home country to be more economical to be produced in that country.
It doesn’t necessarily result in goods being increased by the amount of the tariffs, it can result in jobs for one’s neighbors. Sadly, this means that people in other countries may lose theirs.
As much as possible, every country should be as self-sufficient as possible.
It doesn’t necessarily result in goods being increased by the amount of the tariffs, it can result in jobs for one’s neighbors. Sadly, this means that people in other countries may lose theirs.
As much as possible, every country should be as self-sufficient as possible.
Customers pay for everything, ultimately. Either directly or the cost is passed on. This goes for every single cost of business, tariffs included.
Putting tariffs on things always increases what customers have to pay for them, and that is the point - it drives the price high enough to allow local producers to be competitive. People used to only pay $5 for that widget and I can't produce it for that, but now the market price has shifted to $10 so I can open a factory. It benefits local manufacturers at the expense of consumers. While free trade benefits consumers at the expense of local manufacturers. There's a time and a place for both.
Don't be daft. There are always taxes, there's always revenue coming from somewhere to pay for the cost of whoever is running the place, and the cost of having a military. Sometimes it's called something different (e.g. land taxes might be called "rent" in a feudal society), but it's all the same thing in the end. Taxes can be higher or lower, more or less fair, sometimes even voluntary, but never disappear.
But not at all in the way people are lead to believe.
"Income" taxes, in particular, but the same is true in general in a system with "dishonest weights," are part of the ruse:
Fully fiat, redeemable for NOTHING, 'currency,' which is not "money" at all.
The real tax is inflation, which the Evil John Maynard Keynes once bragged "not one man in a million" would figure out, and realize what was being done to them, anyway.
The point of "taxes" in such a system is twofold: to convince the masses that someone WANTS their money, and they need it to "pay their fair share," and to act as a 'drain valve' - by removing it from them, and circulation, to prevent those same masses from realizing too soon that it could otherwise simply be printed without limit.
But they don't actually "pay" for anything. They're part of the smoke and mirrors. Oh, and don't forget "fear."