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Where are Martin Luther Polygyny/Polygamy quotes

Where are Martin Luther Polygyny/Polygamy quotes?

Can someone give me a website that has them. Containing the whole complete unabridged text in entirety that they are quoted from.
 
"in a letter to the Saxon Chancellor Gregor Brück, Luther stated that he could not "forbid a person to marry several wives, for it does not contradict Scripture." ("Ego sane fateor, me non posse prohibere, si quis plures velit uxores ducere, nec repugnat sacris literis.")

A PDF of it is available here:

http://books.google.com/books?vid=OCLC0 ... &q&f=false

Adobe page 486 (Page 459 as printed on the page of the document) starting in the 10th line of the text.
 
Scarecrow said:
"in a letter to the Saxon Chancellor Gregor Brück, Luther stated that he could not "forbid a person to marry several wives, for it does not contradict Scripture." ("Ego sane fateor, me non posse prohibere, si quis plures velit uxores ducere, nec repugnat sacris literis.")

A PDF of it is available here:

http://books.google.com/books?vid=OCLC0 ... &q&f=false

Adobe page 486 (Page 459 as printed on the page of the document) starting in the 10th line of the text.

Thank you. I should have mentioned in translation to English.
 
The Latin sentence doesn't stop there, the source shows a colon, not a period, ": verum tamen apud Christianos id exempli nollem primo introduci, apud quos decet etiam ea intermittere, quam ibique Paulus exigit."

Google translates the last part as, "Nevertheless, in this example, the Christians would not want the first to be introduced, with whom it should also desist from which there Paul calls."

What does the last part mean?
 

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JustAGuy said:
The Latin sentence doesn't stop there, the source shows a colon, not a period, ": verum tamen apud Christianos id exempli nollem primo introduci, apud quos decet etiam ea intermittere, quam ibique Paulus exigit."

Google translates the last part as, "Nevertheless, in this example, the Christians would not want the first to be introduced, with whom it should also desist from which there Paul calls."

What does the last part mean?

My first thought was that Paul was very specific about getting married rather than burning with passion - which many people don't realize applies to taking a second, third, etc...wife. Although polygyny was commonly practiced at the time, neither Jesus or Paul addresses it due to the fact that anything pertaining to a first wife would also pertain to a second, third, etc...no need to discuss it as it was already understood. Paul also stated that if a person was so gifted they should remain unmarried. Paul also stated that we should refrain from things that might cause others to stumble...we are also told that we should obey the laws of men where they do not conflict with the laws of God (this is debated both ways about polygyny). Paul never stated that a man should not or could not take more than one wife which leads me to wonder about the accuracy of Google translate...I have translated Japanese communications using it and get gibberish for the most part - I think it likely that a much more accurate translation could be had from a scholar of the language and the scriptures.

The "Christians" mentioned may be the ignorant masses that think sitting in a church makes them a Christian which would make sense that they would not want polygyny as they are taught that a man can have only one wife. They do not even understand that adultery ONLY takes place when a married woman sleeps with a man that is not her husband.

If anything...considering cultural ignorance and the statements of Paul, it seems to me that Luther may have stated that Paul would have recommended avoiding polygyny, at least publicly, so as not to cause others to stumble and get in trouble with the public authorities.

So...my take on it...modifying Google's translation:
Nevertheless, in this example, the common "Christians" would not want polygyny legalized; Paul calls us to avoid causing other Christians to stumble and also to avoid trouble with the authorities, so if you are called to practice polygyny do it privately, do not flaunt it.

Our focus needs to be on removing the bigamy and anti-polygyny laws. Once that is accomplished polygyny will eventually become legalized somewhere in the US, and then more and more places. With time it will be more widely accepted. Remember that until 1963 it was illegal in the US for a black man to marry a white woman. Many still don't like "mixed" marriages, but eventually they will be a very small minority...the same will eventually happen for polygyny through educating the "Christian" masses.
 
I found a translation!
Wikipedia said:
I confess that I cannot forbid a person to marry several wives, for it does not contradict the Scripture. If a man wishes to marry more than one wife he should be asked whether he is satisfied in his conscience that he may do so in accordance with the word of God. In such a case the civil authority has nothing to do in the matter.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polygamy_in_Christianity#Reformation_Period
 
That was truly interesting. i know in the book ARE MORMONS CHRISTIAN? By Steven (Stephen?) Robison (Robinson?) - i no longer have the book so i can't check - said that Martin Luther was contacted by Henry the 8th when the Pope would not allow him to divorce his wife and M.L. said that he could not condone divorce either, but he couldn't rule out plural marriage - my paraphrase.

and know i am not trying to convert anyone to the LDS faith - i have been pretty miserable there; however, i know it is my late Husband's wish for me to remain, so i remain - however i wouldn't wish the misery we went through in that church on anyone, nor the misery i'm going through with many of them since He died. But i do know every time i try to leave amazing things happen that pull me back into it - so i gather it's also my Heavenly Father's will and that of my redeemer, Jesus Christ, for me to be there. But i also don't have a testimony, as they would put it, of some of the things that are taught.

i just wanted to make that clear as i'm quoting from an LDS book!
 
Matrika, If I'm not mistaken, I believe you are referring to Celestial Marriage? Even if not, I think there are a few verses you may wish to consider regarding this. Here are the three that I could find.

Matthew 22:25-30 "25 Now there were seven brothers among us; the first married and died, and, having no children, left his wife to his brother. 26 The second also died childless, and the third, down to the seventh. 27 Last of all, the woman died also. 28 Now, in the resurrection, to which of the seven will she be wife? For they all had her. 29 But Jesus replied to them, You are wrong because you know neither the Scriptures nor God’s power. 30 For in the resurrected state neither do [men] marry nor are [women] given in marriage, but they are like the angels in heaven."

1 Timothy 5:14 "14 So I would have younger [widows] marry, bear children, guide the household, [and] not give opponents of the faith occasion for slander or reproach."

Romans 7:1-3 "1 Do you not know, brethren—for I am speaking to men who are acquainted with the Law—that legal claims have power over a person only for as long as he is alive? 2 For [instance] a married woman is bound by law to her husband as long as he lives; but if her husband dies, she is loosed and discharged from the law concerning her husband. 3 Accordingly, she will be held an adulteress if she unites herself to another man while her husband lives. But if her husband dies, the marriage law no longer is binding on her [she is free from that law]; and if she unites herself to another man, she is not an adulteress."
 
Apparently it was the German theologian Philipp Melanchthon (1497–1560) who counseled Henry VIII (1491-1547) that polygamy was better than divorce (biblically). Source: Will Durant, The Reformation: The Story of Civilization, Simon & Schuster (December 25, 1980), p. 449
 

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Just imagine if Henry VIII had started the church of England on the foundation of polygamy instead of a foundation of divorce. England ended up exporting its legal and educational systems to so much of the rest of the planet. People from weird places I have never heard of, come up and claim me as a "fellow countryman" because basically we have the same legal system. They are always shocked that I do not know the history of their country in the same intricate detail that they learned about the UK. But, if all of those countries, including the Eastern United States which predominantly follow the UK laws (the West follows Spanish legal concepts) had allowed for polygamy, just think how different things would be.
 
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