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The Great Depression of the 2020's

MeganC

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I follow a lot of news from a diverse set of sources and one of my personal rules for assessing 'truthiness' for a particular subject is when it gets reported from sources that are not connected to each other.

Sometimes I will make assessments based on seemingly disparate bits of information.

Like when COVID-19 was being dismissed in the mainstream media as a racist delusion of Donald Trump in the period of December 2019 to as late as early March of 2020. There was information getting out of China about how bad things were and that information was adamantly denied by leftists in both government and media. At the time I was not so sure of the scope of what was happening. I even had my doubts when people started getting sick in retirement homes because retirement homes are actually perfect environments for diseases like norovirus.

But then I read the seemingly innocuous world shipping report for January 2020 and found that shipping from China was down by 30% while orders were up. This did not make sense. But when I dug into it I found out that many Chinese container ships will sail with as few as ten crew onboard. And sometimes half of these crews were getting sick due to being in close proximity to each other and the ships were turning around due to safety concerns.

A check of some live ship information on the web showed me disturbing images of literally hundreds of ships at anchor off of Chinese ports and also at Singapore.

Then the Diamond Princess had a COVID outbreak and it eventually docked at the Port of Oakland, California. One of the world's busiest container ports.

Pictures of that ship showed that the reason the port had room for it was because there were few if any container ships docked there.

This to me confirmed that COVID was real and despite the denials from the leftists in government and the media my family prepared for problems. We stocked up on everything and prepared for what we expected would be a few weeks of relative isolation.

You know the rest.

Okay, so I wanted to explain my thought process in how I assess and corroborate potential events in the world.

Now then.

While the topic of the wars in Ukraine and Israel are fascinating there has been another development that has gotten my attention. I believe there is enough independent and disparate information for me to say that the development has reached my level of confidence that I want to put it on the record.

I believe the world economies are right now either in a depression or we are about to enter a very severe depression.

Inflation and rising interest rates have increased prices for consumers and the cost of borrowing for governments. These two factors mean that the era of cheap money is over and government spending must either be curtailed (which was a campaign issue in Argentina) and that inflation must also be curtailed (which was also a campaign issue in Argentina). In short, governments around the world are not going to be able to borrow and spend their way out of the hole they got into in 2020. Chickens are coming home to roost as the saying goes. The crazy spending that created inflation during COVID is now bursting the economic bubble of the 2010's and the false 'boom' time of 2020-2022.

Reports coming out of China this past week include:
  • Taiwanese electronics firm Foxconn is looking to leave China and putting 750,000 Chinese employees and over two million vendor employees on the street. So far this year they've laid off at least 250,000 people.
  • Chinese railroads are defaulting on their US$1 trillion high speed rail debt due to dismal ridership.
  • Chinese banks are moving depositors funds to 'insurance' accounts or simply seizing the funds outright.
  • Massive Chinese real estate firms are defaulting on nearly US$1 trillion in debt.
  • Chinese electronic firms are shuttering due to declining orders from Europe and the US.
  • Chinese cities are suddenly enforcing all manner of laws and placing fines on people to the point that several cities are emptying out.

Corroborating these reports are these recent stories:

  • US retailers are hiring far fewer temporary seasonal workers right now than last year. Some firms are not hiring ANY seasonal staff.
  • Despite realistic actual US inflation rates of 7% to maybe 9% the major retailers like Costco, Wal-Mart, Amazon, and etc. are advertising significantly lower (20% to 30%) prices on electronics and durable goods as compared to this same time last year.
  • Despite these notably lower prices reported consumer purchases of durable goods continues to decline.
  • US retirement accounts are posting heavy losses when the accounts are tied to stock market performance.
  • Localities in the US are ramping up traffic and zoning enforcement in order to boost revenues.
  • Municipalities and states are reporting declines in sales tax, property tax, and income tax revenues.
  • Citizen tax revolts and enforcement revolts are being reported with a higher than usual frequency.
  • China's Belt and Road projects around the world are not being finished due to lack of funds from Chinese banks and failed revenue projections on the projects.
  • German courts cancelled €60 billion in budget expenditures ostensibly due to constitutional reasons but moreover the underlying issue is a shortfall in total government revenues as opposed to new debts. A similar problem as what is being seen in the US.
  • Russian trade with China and Chinese trade with Russia is falling far short of either country's projections.
  • Rising interest rates have caused the US to pay banks over $1 trillion in interest alone on the Federal debt. Total US debt when states, municipalities, and special districts are included then the total US debt is 741% of GDP. https://www.ceicdata.com/en/indicator/united-states/total-debt--of-gdp

The sum of these reports is that we are in deep economic trouble. And it is going to get worse before it can get better.

I believe with confidence that we are either in a depression and economic momentum is carrying us along for the moment, or we are about to enter a depression. This may happen suddenly and without any warning aside from what I am seeing already.

My advice, take it or leave it, is to make the same kind of preparations you made at the outset of the pandemic.

And buy at least some gold and silver if you can. Not saying to sell everything and buy gold and silver but to buy enough that you have something for groceries and etc. just in case it's needed.

That's all.
 
This to me confirmed that COVID was real and despite the denials from the leftists in government and the media my family prepared for problems. We stocked up on everything and prepared for what we expected would be a few weeks of relative isolation.
I was buying bulk flour, oil etc, and even PPE, back in February 2020 before the general public was thinking this way. We even bought a greenhouse. When lockdowns came we had everything we needed and were barely affected. You can certainly see the trends if you watch for them.

And I agree with you on the trends today. Good comprehensive analysis.
 
And buy at least some gold and silver if you can. Not saying to sell everything and buy gold and silver but to buy enough that you have something for groceries and etc. just in case it's needed.
More importantly though for the short term is physical cash. You can't easily buy groceries with silver as people aren't used to accepting it. Sure cash is a bad long-term investment, especially under hyperinflation, but it's your first resort when the banks restrict withdrawals.
 
I follow a lot of news from a diverse set of sources and one of my personal rules for assessing 'truthiness' for a particular subject is when it gets reported from sources that are not connected to each other.

Sometimes I will make assessments based on seemingly disparate bits of information.

Like when COVID-19 was being dismissed in the mainstream media as a racist delusion of Donald Trump in the period of December 2019 to as late as early March of 2020. There was information getting out of China about how bad things were and that information was adamantly denied by leftists in both government and media. At the time I was not so sure of the scope of what was happening. I even had my doubts when people started getting sick in retirement homes because retirement homes are actually perfect environments for diseases like norovirus.

But then I read the seemingly innocuous world shipping report for January 2020 and found that shipping from China was down by 30% while orders were up. This did not make sense. But when I dug into it I found out that many Chinese container ships will sail with as few as ten crew onboard. And sometimes half of these crews were getting sick due to being in close proximity to each other and the ships were turning around due to safety concerns.

A check of some live ship information on the web showed me disturbing images of literally hundreds of ships at anchor off of Chinese ports and also at Singapore.

Then the Diamond Princess had a COVID outbreak and it eventually docked at the Port of Oakland, California. One of the world's busiest container ports.

Pictures of that ship showed that the reason the port had room for it was because there were few if any container ships docked there.

This to me confirmed that COVID was real and despite the denials from the leftists in government and the media my family prepared for problems. We stocked up on everything and prepared for what we expected would be a few weeks of relative isolation.

You know the rest.

Okay, so I wanted to explain my thought process in how I assess and corroborate potential events in the world.

Now then.

While the topic of the wars in Ukraine and Israel are fascinating there has been another development that has gotten my attention. I believe there is enough independent and disparate information for me to say that the development has reached my level of confidence that I want to put it on the record.

I believe the world economies are right now either in a depression or we are about to enter a very severe depression.

Inflation and rising interest rates have increased prices for consumers and the cost of borrowing for governments. These two factors mean that the era of cheap money is over and government spending must either be curtailed (which was a campaign issue in Argentina) and that inflation must also be curtailed (which was also a campaign issue in Argentina). In short, governments around the world are not going to be able to borrow and spend their way out of the hole they got into in 2020. Chickens are coming home to roost as the saying goes. The crazy spending that created inflation during COVID is now bursting the economic bubble of the 2010's and the false 'boom' time of 2020-2022.

Reports coming out of China this past week include:
  • Taiwanese electronics firm Foxconn is looking to leave China and putting 750,000 Chinese employees and over two million vendor employees on the street. So far this year they've laid off at least 250,000 people.
  • Chinese railroads are defaulting on their US$1 trillion high speed rail debt due to dismal ridership.
  • Chinese banks are moving depositors funds to 'insurance' accounts or simply seizing the funds outright.
  • Massive Chinese real estate firms are defaulting on nearly US$1 trillion in debt.
  • Chinese electronic firms are shuttering due to declining orders from Europe and the US.
  • Chinese cities are suddenly enforcing all manner of laws and placing fines on people to the point that several cities are emptying out.

Corroborating these reports are these recent stories:

  • US retailers are hiring far fewer temporary seasonal workers right now than last year. Some firms are not hiring ANY seasonal staff.
  • Despite realistic actual US inflation rates of 7% to maybe 9% the major retailers like Costco, Wal-Mart, Amazon, and etc. are advertising significantly lower (20% to 30%) prices on electronics and durable goods as compared to this same time last year.
  • Despite these notably lower prices reported consumer purchases of durable goods continues to decline.
  • US retirement accounts are posting heavy losses when the accounts are tied to stock market performance.
  • Localities in the US are ramping up traffic and zoning enforcement in order to boost revenues.
  • Municipalities and states are reporting declines in sales tax, property tax, and income tax revenues.
  • Citizen tax revolts and enforcement revolts are being reported with a higher than usual frequency.
  • China's Belt and Road projects around the world are not being finished due to lack of funds from Chinese banks and failed revenue projections on the projects.
  • German courts cancelled €60 billion in budget expenditures ostensibly due to constitutional reasons but moreover the underlying issue is a shortfall in total government revenues as opposed to new debts. A similar problem as what is being seen in the US.
  • Russian trade with China and Chinese trade with Russia is falling far short of either country's projections.
  • Rising interest rates have caused the US to pay banks over $1 trillion in interest alone on the Federal debt. Total US debt when states, municipalities, and special districts are included then the total US debt is 741% of GDP. https://www.ceicdata.com/en/indicator/united-states/total-debt--of-gdp

The sum of these reports is that we are in deep economic trouble. And it is going to get worse before it can get better.

I believe with confidence that we are either in a depression and economic momentum is carrying us along for the moment, or we are about to enter a depression. This may happen suddenly and without any warning aside from what I am seeing already.

My advice, take it or leave it, is to make the same kind of preparations you made at the outset of the pandemic.

And buy at least some gold and silver if you can. Not saying to sell everything and buy gold and silver but to buy enough that you have something for groceries and etc. just in case it's needed.

That's all.
We live in precarious times.
 
Spot on assessment and very similar to what my analysis sounds like. We are well prepared although not as much as I'd like.
 
It should have started last year, but US Treasury and IRS have been pumpimg money into system.

Fed has started removing liquidity from system even before Powell was confirmed. Liquidity removal = bubbles popping up.
 
I follow a lot of news from a diverse set of sources and one of my personal rules for assessing 'truthiness' for a particular subject is when it gets reported from sources that are not connected to each other.

Sometimes I will make assessments based on seemingly disparate bits of information.

Like when COVID-19 was being dismissed in the mainstream media as a racist delusion of Donald Trump in the period of December 2019 to as late as early March of 2020. There was information getting out of China about how bad things were and that information was adamantly denied by leftists in both government and media. At the time I was not so sure of the scope of what was happening. I even had my doubts when people started getting sick in retirement homes because retirement homes are actually perfect environments for diseases like norovirus.

But then I read the seemingly innocuous world shipping report for January 2020 and found that shipping from China was down by 30% while orders were up. This did not make sense. But when I dug into it I found out that many Chinese container ships will sail with as few as ten crew onboard. And sometimes half of these crews were getting sick due to being in close proximity to each other and the ships were turning around due to safety concerns.

A check of some live ship information on the web showed me disturbing images of literally hundreds of ships at anchor off of Chinese ports and also at Singapore.

Then the Diamond Princess had a COVID outbreak and it eventually docked at the Port of Oakland, California. One of the world's busiest container ports.

Pictures of that ship showed that the reason the port had room for it was because there were few if any container ships docked there.

This to me confirmed that COVID was real and despite the denials from the leftists in government and the media my family prepared for problems. We stocked up on everything and prepared for what we expected would be a few weeks of relative isolation.

You know the rest.

Okay, so I wanted to explain my thought process in how I assess and corroborate potential events in the world.

Now then.

While the topic of the wars in Ukraine and Israel are fascinating there has been another development that has gotten my attention. I believe there is enough independent and disparate information for me to say that the development has reached my level of confidence that I want to put it on the record.

I believe the world economies are right now either in a depression or we are about to enter a very severe depression.

Inflation and rising interest rates have increased prices for consumers and the cost of borrowing for governments. These two factors mean that the era of cheap money is over and government spending must either be curtailed (which was a campaign issue in Argentina) and that inflation must also be curtailed (which was also a campaign issue in Argentina). In short, governments around the world are not going to be able to borrow and spend their way out of the hole they got into in 2020. Chickens are coming home to roost as the saying goes. The crazy spending that created inflation during COVID is now bursting the economic bubble of the 2010's and the false 'boom' time of 2020-2022.

Reports coming out of China this past week include:
  • Taiwanese electronics firm Foxconn is looking to leave China and putting 750,000 Chinese employees and over two million vendor employees on the street. So far this year they've laid off at least 250,000 people.
  • Chinese railroads are defaulting on their US$1 trillion high speed rail debt due to dismal ridership.
  • Chinese banks are moving depositors funds to 'insurance' accounts or simply seizing the funds outright.
  • Massive Chinese real estate firms are defaulting on nearly US$1 trillion in debt.
  • Chinese electronic firms are shuttering due to declining orders from Europe and the US.
  • Chinese cities are suddenly enforcing all manner of laws and placing fines on people to the point that several cities are emptying out.

Corroborating these reports are these recent stories:

  • US retailers are hiring far fewer temporary seasonal workers right now than last year. Some firms are not hiring ANY seasonal staff.
  • Despite realistic actual US inflation rates of 7% to maybe 9% the major retailers like Costco, Wal-Mart, Amazon, and etc. are advertising significantly lower (20% to 30%) prices on electronics and durable goods as compared to this same time last year.
  • Despite these notably lower prices reported consumer purchases of durable goods continues to decline.
  • US retirement accounts are posting heavy losses when the accounts are tied to stock market performance.
  • Localities in the US are ramping up traffic and zoning enforcement in order to boost revenues.
  • Municipalities and states are reporting declines in sales tax, property tax, and income tax revenues.
  • Citizen tax revolts and enforcement revolts are being reported with a higher than usual frequency.
  • China's Belt and Road projects around the world are not being finished due to lack of funds from Chinese banks and failed revenue projections on the projects.
  • German courts cancelled €60 billion in budget expenditures ostensibly due to constitutional reasons but moreover the underlying issue is a shortfall in total government revenues as opposed to new debts. A similar problem as what is being seen in the US.
  • Russian trade with China and Chinese trade with Russia is falling far short of either country's projections.
  • Rising interest rates have caused the US to pay banks over $1 trillion in interest alone on the Federal debt. Total US debt when states, municipalities, and special districts are included then the total US debt is 741% of GDP. https://www.ceicdata.com/en/indicator/united-states/total-debt--of-gdp

The sum of these reports is that we are in deep economic trouble. And it is going to get worse before it can get better.

I believe with confidence that we are either in a depression and economic momentum is carrying us along for the moment, or we are about to enter a depression. This may happen suddenly and without any warning aside from what I am seeing already.

My advice, take it or leave it, is to make the same kind of preparations you made at the outset of the pandemic.

And buy at least some gold and silver if you can. Not saying to sell everything and buy gold and silver but to buy enough that you have something for groceries and etc. just in case it's needed.

That's all.
You sure you don't have an equally tuned in noticer single sister?
 
I follow a lot of news from a diverse set of sources and one of my personal rules for assessing 'truthiness' for a particular subject is when it gets reported from sources that are not connected to each other.

Sometimes I will make assessments based on seemingly disparate bits of information.

Like when COVID-19 was being dismissed in the mainstream media as a racist delusion of Donald Trump in the period of December 2019 to as late as early March of 2020. There was information getting out of China about how bad things were and that information was adamantly denied by leftists in both government and media. At the time I was not so sure of the scope of what was happening. I even had my doubts when people started getting sick in retirement homes because retirement homes are actually perfect environments for diseases like norovirus.

But then I read the seemingly innocuous world shipping report for January 2020 and found that shipping from China was down by 30% while orders were up. This did not make sense. But when I dug into it I found out that many Chinese container ships will sail with as few as ten crew onboard. And sometimes half of these crews were getting sick due to being in close proximity to each other and the ships were turning around due to safety concerns.

A check of some live ship information on the web showed me disturbing images of literally hundreds of ships at anchor off of Chinese ports and also at Singapore.

Then the Diamond Princess had a COVID outbreak and it eventually docked at the Port of Oakland, California. One of the world's busiest container ports.

Pictures of that ship showed that the reason the port had room for it was because there were few if any container ships docked there.

This to me confirmed that COVID was real and despite the denials from the leftists in government and the media my family prepared for problems. We stocked up on everything and prepared for what we expected would be a few weeks of relative isolation.

You know the rest.

Okay, so I wanted to explain my thought process in how I assess and corroborate potential events in the world.

Now then.

While the topic of the wars in Ukraine and Israel are fascinating there has been another development that has gotten my attention. I believe there is enough independent and disparate information for me to say that the development has reached my level of confidence that I want to put it on the record.

I believe the world economies are right now either in a depression or we are about to enter a very severe depression.

Inflation and rising interest rates have increased prices for consumers and the cost of borrowing for governments. These two factors mean that the era of cheap money is over and government spending must either be curtailed (which was a campaign issue in Argentina) and that inflation must also be curtailed (which was also a campaign issue in Argentina). In short, governments around the world are not going to be able to borrow and spend their way out of the hole they got into in 2020. Chickens are coming home to roost as the saying goes. The crazy spending that created inflation during COVID is now bursting the economic bubble of the 2010's and the false 'boom' time of 2020-2022.

Reports coming out of China this past week include:
  • Taiwanese electronics firm Foxconn is looking to leave China and putting 750,000 Chinese employees and over two million vendor employees on the street. So far this year they've laid off at least 250,000 people.
  • Chinese railroads are defaulting on their US$1 trillion high speed rail debt due to dismal ridership.
  • Chinese banks are moving depositors funds to 'insurance' accounts or simply seizing the funds outright.
  • Massive Chinese real estate firms are defaulting on nearly US$1 trillion in debt.
  • Chinese electronic firms are shuttering due to declining orders from Europe and the US.
  • Chinese cities are suddenly enforcing all manner of laws and placing fines on people to the point that several cities are emptying out.

Corroborating these reports are these recent stories:

  • US retailers are hiring far fewer temporary seasonal workers right now than last year. Some firms are not hiring ANY seasonal staff.
  • Despite realistic actual US inflation rates of 7% to maybe 9% the major retailers like Costco, Wal-Mart, Amazon, and etc. are advertising significantly lower (20% to 30%) prices on electronics and durable goods as compared to this same time last year.
  • Despite these notably lower prices reported consumer purchases of durable goods continues to decline.
  • US retirement accounts are posting heavy losses when the accounts are tied to stock market performance.
  • Localities in the US are ramping up traffic and zoning enforcement in order to boost revenues.
  • Municipalities and states are reporting declines in sales tax, property tax, and income tax revenues.
  • Citizen tax revolts and enforcement revolts are being reported with a higher than usual frequency.
  • China's Belt and Road projects around the world are not being finished due to lack of funds from Chinese banks and failed revenue projections on the projects.
  • German courts cancelled €60 billion in budget expenditures ostensibly due to constitutional reasons but moreover the underlying issue is a shortfall in total government revenues as opposed to new debts. A similar problem as what is being seen in the US.
  • Russian trade with China and Chinese trade with Russia is falling far short of either country's projections.
  • Rising interest rates have caused the US to pay banks over $1 trillion in interest alone on the Federal debt. Total US debt when states, municipalities, and special districts are included then the total US debt is 741% of GDP. https://www.ceicdata.com/en/indicator/united-states/total-debt--of-gdp

The sum of these reports is that we are in deep economic trouble. And it is going to get worse before it can get better.

I believe with confidence that we are either in a depression and economic momentum is carrying us along for the moment, or we are about to enter a depression. This may happen suddenly and without any warning aside from what I am seeing already.

My advice, take it or leave it, is to make the same kind of preparations you made at the outset of the pandemic.

And buy at least some gold and silver if you can. Not saying to sell everything and buy gold and silver but to buy enough that you have something for groceries and etc. just in case it's needed.

That's all.
Well done.
 
More importantly though for the short term is physical cash. You can't easily buy groceries with silver as people aren't used to accepting it. Sure cash is a bad long-term investment, especially under hyperinflation, but it's your first resort when the banks restrict withdrawals.
I believe it's more important to spend one's money on things one knows one will need when SHTF than to hold onto it. Money is very much in danger of becoming entirely worthless.

We are being lied to big-time about inflation. The real rate between early 2020 and now has been between 25-35% annually. Food costs 4 times on average what it did 4 years ago. The inflation index is a joke.

So, can anyone tell me of a time when money-printing was rampant (effectively, that makes money-printing inflationary devaluation our largest form of taxation so we can spend money we don't have on the military-industrial complex to keep two wars funded simultaneously) and the real inflation rate was sustained at 30% where eventually it was brought back under control. I ask because the only examples I can recall throughout history have led to hyperinflation and then total reset of the economy which left the majority of people temporarily but long-term impoverished.
 
I believe it's more important to spend one's money on things one knows one will need when SHTF than to hold onto it. Money is very much in danger of becoming entirely worthless.
And the things you're wanting to buy are in serious danger of not being there when you want them. They're available now though.

I completely agree. Still, have some cash too!
 
I believe it's more important to spend one's money on things one knows one will need when SHTF than to hold onto it. Money is very much in danger of becoming entirely worthless.

Currency is in danger of becoming worthless. Money that has its own intrinsic or fungible value is not.

Several US states have legally monetized gold and silver with this in mind. Just in case there is a collapse of fiat currency then they can start requiring taxes to be paid in sound money.

 
Wow. I just posted this yesterday and now this:


Three US banking giants have just had their ratings downgraded to “negative” by Moody’s.

Moody’s Investor Service downgraded JPMorgan Chase, Wells Fargo and Bank of America to negative ratings after previously classifying them as stable, MarketWatch reports.

Analyst Peter E. Nerby of Moody’s said that the worsening outlook on bank debt was due to “the potentially weaker capacity of the government of the United States of America (Aaa negative) to support the U.S.’s systemically important banks.”
 
This is Davos operation to make US look bad.

C'mon, US federal government not spending like drunken sailors is very very bad. Do you truly believe that. Say whatever you want, but now there is real push to stop unlimited spending.
 
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