I think a good thread on "higher powers" is in order in the very near future.
I "support" the men and women that serve and have served. I have a stronger feeling that is one of sadness because they are serving an "authority" that is different in truth than what is being presented to them. They have fought, died, and killed in the name of freedom and liberty, but the ones that cause the conflicts are not motivated by those things, and the wars are not being fought for those ideals by the ones in charge.
This is the disconnect in this thread.
Those that "support" the troops may or may not like the wars and what is happening but still want the men and women sacrificing to be safe and respected. Their failure is in not seeing the reasons for the war for what they really are, and are coming from this angle.
Ylop and those similar are responding based on the correct assumption that you should know the essence of the one that you swear allegiance to and kill for, and that the world is not brought receiving the social training, media control, and religious nationalism that is used here in the USA, and therefore can more easily see the hypocrisy in the mindset of most "U.S. Citizens". Most in the "United States**" have been brought up in the system of patriotism and religion being intertwined and cannot comprehend the two being apart, and in attacking the "United States**" there is an inherent attack on their religion and themselves as individuals.
This thread argues two different things, supporting men and women soldiers, and an indictment of the "United States**" war machine.
The armies and the like that is the "Department of Defense" is not the war power given by the Constitution. If anyone needs an explanation of this from the Constitution and U.S. law, then please let me know. This "power" is a privately owned and privately controlled entity, as defined by the Constitution and by every State Constitution an is not the militia that we are taught about in schools. The "United States**" is NOT the united States of America, legally or actually, and most don't know the difference and how it effects them and their beliefs. Soldiers today are not fighting to protect us or for freedom regardless of what they believe they are doing. The truth is not impacted by any number of persons that believe something other than the truth.
The irony and hypocrisy of pledging allegiance to anything other than God should be apparent, but when we are taught from birth that this is "God's Country" we have a hard time accepting this.
The ridiculous stance of using the Word to support respecting and submitting to a government that was established by that group of colonists in disrespecting and violently NOT submitting to THEIR authority should not be as hard to acknowledge as seems. The founders of this county were under contract to those that financed them to be on this continent. They saw the wealth, disrespected their own oaths of allegiance, and then violently resisted with life and death those that had the right to collect, and according to the opinions expressed in the majority of this thread,
refused to submit to their own God given obligation to submit to England. They were
in sin of rebellion to their higher authority and therefore are
not deserving of our allegiance in the first place if we want to continue in the logic of the Word teaching submission to man made governments. We would then be submitting ourselves to a sinful group, correct? And now we should give unto them as our authority what they refused to give to those that were over them in authority? This is flawed reasoning.
Compare the rebellion over the 3% tax that was imposed on the colonies with the income tax that most of you pay today, and figure that into your brains and thought patterns.
Read the ten planks of the communist manifesto and see if you live in a socialist nation already. You don't own anything in the "United States**", your property and cars are all property of the state, legally and actually. For goodness sakes, Prescott Bush had his entire BANK seized because he was a communist and was funding Adolph Hitler and the Nazis. This is printed FACT. When he complained about it, J. Edgar told him to shut up, because everybody knew this to be true. You can read about it just about everywhere. Prescott is the father of GHW and grandfather to GW Bush, BTW.
Stop relying on a dead body, a corporation, for your liberty and freedom, and associate yourself with the Most High. Where would we be without the "United States**"? Probably back to trusting in God instead of the strength of man. 1 Corinthians 2:5, "That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God."
BTW, the Constitution has nothing regarding our rights, it is the Declaration of Independence that states,
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness
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and also states,
That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness
and also states,
But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security
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Even IF you want to speak allegiance to a man made government, the government of the United States of America says that you can get out when you like and not only that but as stated above it is our DUTY to throw off such a government as is oppressive as the current government is today.
I served in the Gulf War, and have been shot at, beaten up, dragged bodies off of my friends, stood on watch cold, lonely and scared. I knew that something was wrong when I enlisted, as soon as I had to swear away my constitutional right in order to join. That was the starting point for me in wanting to know the truth about our government. I am not anti government or anti patriotism, but I wish that the masses would educate themselves on what the situation really is, no matter how scary or deceptive. The truth is often so gruesome, we tend to want to deny the obvious, especially when our religion and patriotism are believed to be one and the same.
Bring home the troops, they have no reason to be there.
