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Question: "Is it acceptable to "lay out a fleece" before God in prayer?"

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Searching for an answer, I ran across many articles concerning that topic. All said basically the same. Here are a few of them:

Answer:
The concept of “putting out a fleece” comes from the story of Gideon, a leader in Israel, in Judges 6. When God directed him to gather the Israelite troops to defeat the Midianite invaders, Gideon wanted to be sure it was really God’s voice he was hearing and that he understood His directions. He asked God for a sign to prove that this was truly His will. So he put out a piece of wool overnight and asked God to make it wet while keeping the surrounding dirt dry. God graciously did as Gideon asked, and in the morning the fleece was wet enough to produce a bowl of water when it was wrung out.

But Gideon’s faith was so weak that he asked God for another sign—this time to keep another fleece dry while making the surrounding dirt wet. Again, God complied, and Gideon was finally convinced that God meant what He said and that the nation of Israel would have the victory the angel of the Lord had promised in Judges 6:14-16. Putting out the fleeces was the second time Gideon had asked for a sign that God was really talking to him and would do what He said He would.

There are several lessons for us in Gideon’s story. First, God is incredibly gracious and patient with us, especially when our faith is weak. Gideon knew he was treading on dangerous ground and was trying God’s patience by asking for multiple signs. After the first fleece sign, he said, “Do not be angry with me. Let me make one more request” (Judges 6:39). But our God is a merciful, loving and patient God who knows our weaknesses. However, the story of Gideon should be for our instruction and not serve as a model for our own behavior. Jesus said on two occasions that “a wicked and adulterous generation seeks after a sign” (Matthew 12:39; 16:1-4). His point was that the signs He had already given them—His fulfillment of Old Testament prophecy, healings, and miracles—were sufficient for them to respond to the truth, if truth was what they were seeking. Clearly, it was not.

Another lesson of Gideon’s fleeces is that those asking for signs are exhibiting a weak and immature faith that won’t be convinced by the signs anyway! Gideon had received more than enough information without the sign of the fleeces. God had told him he would have victory (v. 14), and He had responded to a previous request for a sign with a miraculous display of power in fire (v. 16). Still, Gideon asked for two more signs because of his own insecurity. In the same way, even when God does provide the sign we ask for, it doesn’t give us what we crave because our wavering faith still doubts. That often leads us to ask for multiple signs, none of which give us the assurance we need, because the problem isn’t with God’s power; it’s with our own perception of it.

A problem with following Gideon’s example of fleece-setting is that it does not take into account that our situation and his are really not comparable.
As Christians, we have two powerful tools that Gideon lacked. First, we have the complete Word of God which we know is “God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work” (2 Timothy 3:16-17). God has assured us that His Word is all we need to be “thoroughly equipped” for anything and everything in life. We do not need experiential proof (signs, voices, miracles) to verify what He has already told us in His Word. Our second advantage over Gideon is that every Christian has the Holy Spirit, who is God Himself, residing in his heart to guide, direct, and encourage. Prior to Pentecost, believers had the Old Testament only and were directed externally by God’s providential hand. Now we have His complete Bible and His indwelling presence in our hearts.

Rather than seeking signs via fleeces, we should be content to know God’s will for us in every situation every day: “Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly” (Colossians 3:16); “Be joyful always; pray continually; give thanks in all circumstances, for this is God's will for you in Christ Jesus” (1 Thessalonians 5:16-18); “And whatever you do, whether in word or deed, do it all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through him” (Colossians 3:17). If these things characterize our lives, the decisions we make will be in accordance with God’s will, He will bless us immeasurably with His peace and assurance, and there will be no need to put out fleeces or ask for signs.


https://www.gotquestions.org/prayer-fleece.html
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Knowing God’s Will: Is It Okay to “Put Out the Fleece”?

Dan Vander Lugt

Is it okay to “put out the fleece” to know God’s will, like Gideon did in Judges 6:36-40?

Gideon is listed as one of the heroes of the faith ( Hebrews 11:32 ), and he “put out the fleece,” not only once, but twice! However, before we follow Gideon’s example, we should take a closer look at some of the specific circumstances in his case, and then consider what other Scripture passages say about looking for a sign from the Lord.

Considering the dangerous and frightening nature of the angel’s instructions, it is easy to understand Gideon’s weakness of faith and his desire for further confirmation. But, even though we can sympathize with his fears, Gideon himself realized that he was risking God’s anger when he asked for further signs ( Judges 6:39 ). In light of Gideon’s trepidation in the face of such a seemingly impossible task, God graciously granted him the further signs he requested. However, this shouldn’t be taken as an indication that God normally approves of such a method for confirming His will ( James 1:5-8 ).

Scripture elsewhere clearly warns against asking for such signs. The Old Testament law itself prohibited putting God to the test ( Deuteronomy 6:16 ), and this specific principle was confirmed by Jesus when He was tempted by Satan in the wilderness ( Luke 4:12 ). In 1 Corinthians 10:9, the apostle Paul pointed to severe consequences that resulted from such doubt ( Numbers 21:6 ), and Luke describes how the father of John the Baptist was struck mute ( Luke 1:18-20 ) for doubting the message of an angel.

Of course, it is important to define what a person means when they say that they are “putting out the fleece.” If they mean that they are carefully studying their situation for general indications of God’s leading, they are doing what they should. But if they are demanding, like Gideon, that God give them immediate guidance by fulfilling a specific “sign” that they impose on Him, they are putting God to the test in a way that is forbidden.

Like sorcerers and occultists who try to control supernatural forces through spells and incantations, we may think we can control God with such demands. But our heavenly Father has no interest in making His supernatural power accessible to our whims. His goal is for us to know Him personally, in a relationship founded and dependent upon faith ( Proverbs 3:5-8 ).

https://questions.org/attq/knowing-gods-will-is-it-okay-to-put-out-the-fleece/
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Should Christians use "fleeces"?
The Question:

We have heard several people speak of "fleecing" God for answers or making clear that it is in fact God's will. We know that Gideon placed a fleece before God (literally) for a confirmation but we also understand we are not to test God. So the question is: how do we go about fleecing God and is it proper to place specific conditions or timetables before him?

Caution - use fleeces sparingly (Part 1)
It is indeed true that Gideon placed a fleece before the Lord but it is important to remember that God was the initiator in that scenario. That makes a huge difference when we consider using a similar method to find God's will in a matter for our life.

In Judges 6, the story is told of Gideon who became a Judge in Israel. God asked him, a farmer with no military training whatsoever, to deliver his people from the Midianite oppressors. This was so far out of Gideon's comfort zone or box of thinking that he needed to make sure it was really God doing the asking. So he devised a system of tests revolving around the wool fleece of a sheep to confirm God's will.

If God calls you to a ministry or mission or specific task in life, I believe God will always be willing to graciously give you confirmation from a number of sources. The bigger the call, the more confirmation you may need to feel assured that God is with you in something you may consider impossible.

Other than that I would say; CAUTION - USE FLEECES SPARINGLY. As far as how to design them, that's one of the inherent problems and is the reason they can cause confusion and doubt rather than clarification.

What if you say: "Lord if I don't have a date before the end of the month I'll know you want me to remain single." That type of fleece is riddled with problems and won't likely produce good results. Also, we usually put time frames on things when we get tired of waiting for answers. But God cannot be manipulated nor forced into our timeframes and over time we become too smart to even try.

Next: So how can I find out God's will for my life?

Some other ways (Part 2)
The best way to get direction from God is to be willing to do some hard work. It's not usually cut and dry (like a fleece), but sticky. We have to press in and get down to business with God and seek him. We have to be genuinely willing to hear his answer instead of only looking for what we want.

When seeking God for direction on any issue in your life, be prepared to hear the Lord in multiple ways. I have found that many times the answer comes as a consensus of all the ways I'm trying to hear. For instance, while reading God's Word, does a particular scripture jump out which may shed some light? And then while praying, does a spontaneous thought come to mind which gives a little more insight? Perhaps a friend makes an off hand comment which adds positively to the mix. Maybe a door closes which takes one choice out of contention. Perhaps a dream reveals the answer.

Little by little, inch by inch, God's will is discerned. The next time we come up against another decision, it may go a little differently. Rather than be frustrated by this, realize that God does not want a rote relationship with us. He is a real person and he wants us to communicate with him. He wants us to care more about him than the answer we are seeking. If he does things the same way all the time, we tend to see him as a vending machine.

One thing to keep in mind every time you seek God's direction: God wants you to hear his voice. He even promises that you WILL hear it. "When he puts forth all his own, he goes before them, and the sheep follow him because they know his voice." (John 10:4)

http://hannahscupboard.com/ST-fleeces.html
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Another article :

Faith and Fleeces


Judges 6:38-40 Gideon said to God, "If you will save Israel by my hand as you have promised--look, I will place a wool fleece on the threshing floor. If there is dew only on the fleece and all the ground is dry, then I will know that you will save Israel by my hand, as you said." And that is what happened. Gideon rose early the next day; he squeezed the fleece and wrung out the dew--a bowlful of water. Then Gideon said to God, "Do not be angry with me. Let me make just one more request. Allow me one more test with the fleece. This time make the fleece dry and the ground covered with dew." That night God did so. Only the fleece was dry; all the ground was covered with dew.

The expression "putting out a fleece" comes to us from the biblical story of Gideon. Gideon was one of the leaders that God raised up to direct His people during the period of the Judges in the early days of Israel's history. During a time of invasion by the armies of Midian, God called Gideon to rally the Israeli troops and defeat the foreign invaders. Before Gideon would commit himself to battle, however, he wanted to be sure that God was going to give Israel the victory! In Judges 6:36-40 we see that Gideon asked God to make a fleece of wool wet with dew on one morning, then totally dry on the next morning. The fleece was to be the sign that God would definitely rescue Israel from the Midianites. God gave Gideon the sign that he asked for, and Gideon then went out and defeated the forces of Midian.

Should we follow the example of Gideon and "set out fleeces"? Does Judges 6 teach us that it's a good idea to ask God for signs of His approval, either of our plans or a decision that we think might be His will? How far do we carry this practice of putting out fleeces? Are fleeces reserved only for special occasions or should we expect God to give us signs every day? Is "putting out a fleece" evidence of a mature faith or an immature faith? Is our faith strengthened by fleeces or is it better not to ask God for signs?

These questions--as well as many others--come to mind as we read the account of Gideon. We know from Romans 15:4 that this Old Testament portion of Scripture was written and included in God's Word for our instruction. There are many great lessons for the Christian in the overall account of Gideon, but what is the lesson God wants us to learn from "the fleece event?"

Before we look at the textual evidence for the quality of Gideon's faith, let us remind ourselves of one of the important principles of interpreting Scripture: the narrative is always subject to the didactic. That is, the accounts of historical events recorded in the Bible are always subject to the straight-forward teaching passages of the Bible, and we must always distinguish between what did happen from what should happen when we read Scripture. For example, in Genesis 12:10-20, the fact that the Bible tells us that Abraham lied about his wife and put her in danger in order to protect his own life should not be interpreted to mean that it's OK for us to lie and put our family members in danger when we think our own life is at stake!

In the same way, the story of Gideon and the fleece is an account of what did happen, but it is not necessarily what should happen. We need to look at the context of the Gideon narrative and see whether Gideon's actions were the actions of a strong, mature faith or a weak, immature faith. We must ask ourselves if the overall context of the narrative teaches us that we should follow or avoid the actions of the character in the narrative. And we must consider the rest of the Bible and see if there are any straight-forward teaching passages that touch on the subject of "putting out fleeces" and asking God for signs.

Twice in the Book of Matthew the Lord Jesus taught that asking for signs was not a commendable attitude towards God (12:39 and 16:4). In fact, He said on both occasions that "an evil and adulterous generation craves for a sign." Obviously, the motives behind an evil and adulterous generation seeking a sign from God would be different from the motives of a believer wanting a sign from God. However, the Bible indicates that even a believer is evidencing an immature faith when he needs signs.

Remember that our Lord rebuked the lack of faith of "doubting Thomas" with the statement, "Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed" (John 20:29). We could say, then, that the rule of thumb for the growing Christian should be, "We walk by faith and not by fleeces!" Or, to quote 1 Corinthians 5:7 properly, "We walk by faith and not by sight." So we see that the straight-forward teaching passages which bear on the subject of asking for signs would tend to indicate that setting out fleeces is not the most mature expression of faith or pleasing response of faith towards God.

When we look at the story of Gideon (what did happen) in light of these teaching passages (what should happen), it becomes clear to us exactly what the fleece event illustrates. Gideon was not operating on the basis of a strong and secure faith, but rather on the basis of a weak and insecure faith. When Gideon asked God for a sign it was after God had already promised Gideon, in no uncertain terms, that He would rescue Israel from the Midianites. The Lord first commissioned Gideon to go and defeat the Midianites: "Go in the strength you have and save Israel out of Midian's hand. Am I not sending you?" (6:14). Then the Lord promised Gideon that he would be with him and he would definitely defeat the Midianites: "I will be with you, and you will strike down the Midianites as if they were but one man." (6:16).

Furthermore, God had already given Gideon a confirming sign in the way He had responded to Gideon's sacrifice! "Miraculous" fire, indicating God's acceptance of Gideon and his offering, consumed the sacrifice that Gideon brought. What further evidence did Gideon need to know that the God of Israel was eager to give Gideon a complete victory over the Midianites? And yet Gideon had the audacity to say to God, "If You will save Israel by my hand as you have promised..." (6:36).

How disappointing--and yet how very familiar! So often we, like Gideon, doubt the very promises that God has given us in black-and-white Scripture! Why, for example, do we risk stress-related physical problems when we have clearly been told to "Cast all your anxiety on Him, for He cares for you" (1 Peter 5:7)?

The fact that we've all put out fleeces and maybe even seen God answer with "miraculous" signs does not mean that God is pleased with this approach in our walk of faith. Just as parents will sometimes accommodate themselves to their young children's clinging and fearful requests for assurance or affirmation, so God acquiesces at times to the requests of our feeble faith. But parents want their children to mature to the point where they don't need continual reassurance or unusual demonstrations of affirmation!

In the same way, God wants His children to grow in faith to the point where we don't need to put out fleeces and ask for signs. The point is not that the story of Gideon is teaching that it is wrong to put out fleeces or that it is wrong to ask God for signs, but that the account of Gideon and the fleece is included in Scripture to show us that it is the unsure, wavering faith that desires signs and it is usually the timid, immature believer who sets out fleeces. However, a very encouraging lesson that we don't want to miss in the story of Gideon and the fleece is that God tolerates our lack of faith and continues to work with us in spite of our immature faith. He may even give us the signs we ask for in order to bolster our weak faith!

Although it is clear from the Scripture that Gideon was not a giant in faith, we shouldn't lose sight of the fact that he did have genuine faith. While he didn't have a bold faith like some of the other Old Testament heroes, it must be stressed that Gideon was not without faith. When God told Gideon to tear down his father's pagan altar, by faith Gideon obeyed (6:25-27). Because he was too afraid to do the job by day, he did it by night. But he did it! Faith does not have to be bold to be genuine. How encouraging for us who are so often midgets in faith!

Again we see Gideon fearful right before the battle, needing a dream to encourage him to step out in faith (7:9-15). But God knew all about Gideon's weak faith, and after stating categorically once again that Gideon would defeat the Midianites (7:9), He said to Gideon, "If you are afraid to attack, go down to the camp with your servant Purah and listen to what they are saying. Afterward, you will be encouraged to attack the camp" (7:10-11). How gracious God is! God's amazing tolerance and His accommodation to the weak faith of Gideon (who put more stock in a Midianite's dream than in the explicit Word of the Lord!) shows us the extent of His grace to those of little faith! What an encouragement for us who so often, like Gideon, become more courageous by seeing "proofs" than by simply believing the promises of God's Word. But, praise God, "He knows our frame and remembers that we are dust" (Psalm 103:14). The fact that Gideon made it into God's "Hall of Faith" (Hebrews 11:32), in spite of his shortcomings, shows us that from God's perspective the fact of our faith is ultimately more important than the strength of our faith! All of this encouragement for us, however, is not the stamp of God's approval on fleece setting or weak, timid faith!

Not only is the practice of setting out fleeces an indication of an immature faith, but it has some built-in problems associated with it. One problem is that you can never be really sure with a fleece! Suppose you ask God for a sign from heaven in order to know if you should go on a certain trip or continue a certain relationship, and three days later you see a shooting star! "Wow!" you say. But then you begin to wonder, "Was that a sign from God or just a coincidence?" So what do you do next? Chances are that you'll do exactly what Gideon did--you'll "tighten the boundaries" on the sign to be really sure. "Lord, may I see three shooting stars in the northern sky in the next 48 hours, if my decision is Your will!" But can you ever put out enough fleeces to be 100 per cent sure? And where does faith end and manipulation of God begin?

Tightening the boundaries leads to another built-in problem. Fleece-setting may not be wrong but it comes dangerously close to testing the Lord, which definitely is wrong. When the Pharisees and Sadducees asked Christ for a sign the Scripture says that they tested Him by asking him to show them a sign from heaven (Matthew 16:1). The Bible explicitly teaches that putting God to the test is a sin. "You shall not put the Lord your God to the test" (Deuteronomy 6:16). If you walk across an Interstate highway and expect not to get hit by a truck because God promises to protect us, that's testing God!

A Christian who puts out a fleece and asks God for a sign isn't exactly putting God to the test, but when we begin to tighten the boundaries on the signs we request we're moving in that direction. If we ask the Lord to, "Make the phone ring by noon tomorrow if You want me to take that new job (or move to that new location)," we've really boxed God in--into a box of our making! We have set the conditions and we are forcing God to confirm His will for us on our terms! Doesn't this come perilously close to testing God? The more we tighten the boundaries to force God's hand, the closer we come to the "Interstate" illustration. How much better to use the normal means that God has given us to make decisions (primarily the guidelines of Scripture--including sanctified common sense!), and then ask God to confirm our decisions or guide us to different decisions in ways of His own choosing.

Asking God to confirm our decisions without restricting Him to doing it our way is not the same as setting out a fleece. To request that the Lord show us in some clear way if we've made or are about to make a decision that is not in accordance with His will is not the same as demanding a particular sign from God. The Lord does not play games with us. He desires that we make right decisions, and He delights to confirm us in these decisions! We do not have to put out fleeces to remind our heavenly Father that His well-loved and intimately known children need His perfect confirmation in their walk of faith. We really can trust His promise: "In all your ways acknowledge Him, and He will direct your paths" (Proverbs 3:6).

www.growingchristians.org/devotions/faith-and-fleeces/

What do you think?
 
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If God really disliked fleeces or they were wrong He would have made it clear. He might not respond to your fleece and that in turn wouldn't free someone from obeying His commands but the fleece itself is neutral.
 
But using a fleece to test God, i.e. "if you will answer me thus, sending this sign ( whatever), then I will know to do this." , somewhat akin to asking an 8-ball, or tarot cards, or using white magic?? Aren't we to stay away from that sort of thing?
 
But using a fleece to test God, i.e. "if you will answer me thus, sending this sign ( whatever), then I will know to do this." , somewhat akin to asking an 8-ball, or tarot cards, or using white magic?? Aren't we to stay away from that sort of thing?


I don't know. I mean when the apostles had to pick a replacement, they cast lots (basically rolled dice) so God could show who He wanted. There's nothing in that passage to indicate that was wrong.

Years ago I did a study into witchcraft and magic in the Bible. I don't have the notes anymore, but the conclusion I came to is that the reason magic is wrong is that it's trying to make a miracle without God.

Maybe asking God to communicate through these things is different than just using the things?
 
See I have mixed thoughts here. My personal thought is that it's not innately bad to ask for a fleece, but that you'd have been more blessed had you acted in faith. For one thing, we are taught to judge teachings and not to accept false prophets and all that, so like GG said maybe there is valid place. Heck, the division of Israel was decided by casting lots, as were many decisions about whether God wanted his people to go to war. Or what about the possibility that it's not bad to ask for a fleece *once* (like ever), but to continue asking is testing. And then there's the thought: we *are* given the Word, but without something divine to prove it, why should we take it as truth over something like the Koran?

I mean, we also have things like Elijah and the "offering fight" with the priests. Haven't fully worked through how that ties together in my mind, but I feel it's related.

Great discussion topic @Poodles! Maybe a bit long right off the bat... ;)
 
Proverbs 16:33 The lot is cast into the lap, But its every decision is from the LORD.

My extremely limited experience with divination and 'white magic' was that it was an attempt either to impose your will on your surroundings in some way (magic) or foretell the future for entertainment or profit (divination).

Casting a lot cannot be a serious attempt at imposition of will. And as a method of entertainment it leaves something to be desired. Treating the Almighty like a ouija board is probably fatal.

But if you need to make a decision and the answer isn't readily available from scripture, I would (and have) cast a lot with prayer and abide by the result.

I actually may be doing so again within the week. I've received a command from the Lord that I don't really understand fully. So whenever I am invited to do something which in my opinion may skate the edge of it, I put a fleece out to know whether I should or should not do it. If I understood the command fully, I would not pester Him (trying to impose my will with a specific dispensation or something). And I certainly don't make a regular habit of it, trying to get God to micromanage my day. I can think of all sorts of ways that could go wrong there. But I see no danger in casting a lot in a time of uncertainty, with genuineness and prayer, and total commitment to abide by His decision.
 
But then casting lots with prayer, well, there's a *lot* more room for interpretation and hearing incorrectly with prayer I think. Well, depending on what kind of lots you cast maybe. I honestly haven't looked into them at all.
 
I think lots are a completely different matter, that should not be confused with this at all.

If you cast a lot (roll a dice, flip a coin, whatever) you are going to get an answer whether or not God chooses to intervene. In casting a lot we have faith that He directs the answer to what He intends. But we're not expecting anything particularly miraculous to occur - we just expect the dice to give us a number. Lots are not miraculous signs. And there is nothing in scripture that I can think of against casting lots. I think this is a very valid way to make decisions, where it is impossible to figure out the correct answer using our God-given intellect.

What Gideon did, with his fleece, was ask for a completely miraculous sign. In the natural, both the fleece and the ground would have been similarly wet or dry. He asked for one to be wet and the other dry. He asked for a completely supernatural sign, something that would not be expected in the natural. And he received this sign. This is completely different to casting a lot.

We are warned against asking for miraculous signs, as has been quoted above, but are not forbidden from doing so. I would advise against asking for miraculous signs. We can obviously ask for miracles, asking God to make His will occur for instance. But asking for a sign is different to that.

If I wanted to know whether to attend a Biblical Families retreat, it would be completely reasonable to pray "I need $X for my airfares, accommodation etc, if you want me to go let me have at least this amount in my bank account on Y date". He can answer yes or no by simply choosing to provide, or not. He might provide completely miraculously, but it's still a very practical request.
Or, if you have the money, it would be appropriate to cast lots, praying "if you want me to go, let the coin be heads".
On the other hand, it would be inappropriate to pray "If you want me to go to the retreat let there be three hedgehogs sitting on my lawn when I look out the window tomorrow morning". I would class that as asking for a random miraculous sign, which we are advised not to do.
 
I agree with the writers of the articles and I can agree with most of the responses above. I do think, however, putting restrictions on God, asking for a specific sign to see if you should or should not do something, expecting God to do something specific within your time frame is possibly testing God. You should, of course, ask Him for guidance and accept His answer with no restrictions placed. He is the Almighty after all, not a genie who will do your bidding. I think that God answered Gideon's request because Gideon's faith was weak and because he did not have the Holy Spirit within him, as all of us who are Christians do. Our faith may be weak at any given moment, but we have confidence that God has control of every situation we find ourselves in. Following the Lord, searching the Scriptures, listening to the Holy Spirit, asking our questions with the confidence that He has every situation under control, lead to the answers that we need. He has already answered, we need to listen.
Each of us will continue on the way we have always gone, and most of the time we are right on with the Lord. I just wonder when do we cross the line into trying to control God instead of following His gentle voice saying turn this way or that?
(That's just my opinion. I love you all and thank you for responding.)
 
Gideon's faith was weak, yet God still worked with him despite his failures. We are advised not to ask for such signs. But if, like Gideon, we do ask for one anyway, He may well choose to do what we request, if He decides it is important enough. He had a very important plan for Gideon, so He did Gideon's request. Just as He allowed Thomas to put his fingers into the holes in Yeshua's hands, to prove the resurrection - but said it would have been even better if Thomas had trusted without needing to do that.
 
Yes.
 
Abrahams servant put out a very specific fleece in Genesis 24:12-48. God saw fit to answer it immediately.

Also on the matter of the apostles choosing a replacement for Judas, it appears that they drew lots without having a negative or neutral straw. I.e. An extra straw which meant if it got drawn that none of them were Gods choice. It's easy to try to limit His choices to one or two options that we are most comfortable with.
The Urim and Thumin provided yes or no answers to questions posed to determine Gods will. The apostles only allowed for a yes vote on one they chose. Gideon provided for both by assuming a negative outcome and allowing God to confirm a positive one.
 
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Had that kind of interaction once as a teen and it was to show me He is real, never questioned if he existed again after that. If I ask again it will most likely not happen because it would be a lack of faith having been shown. He knows out heart and exact situations at the time. When we are young in him and real, he gives us more breaks. Later.. To whom much is given, much is required.
 
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