Pinky and brain world government.

[cubanito]

Sorry my device is acting up.
My belief is, we (oligarch steered first world empires) are building a more perfect beast hub of power and our nation and people are being used for it.
(Some smaller empires if they had power might do worse.) Eventually it will have a more global and perfect control. Times are interesting.
If we find ourselves on the wrong side, our ability to choose good and peace (God and his Christ) will be compromised.
The Eze 14 principle. So we need to sincerely remove our stumbling blocks while we can.

Many may disagree but it doesn't matter. We should not get triggered. In the end, God will decide and judge, we should not. We are definetely not God.
There is so much more we all need to learn and work in our hearts. I know I do. This is why this is not easy, a continuous improvement walk. The reason why we are here, to choose truth, Christ and his fruits.
Question..
Does the new covenant supersede the old one nobody could attain? Is our heart the one that is supposed to be circumcised?

Is Christ the final sacrifice and replacing him with animal ones constitute an abomination or did Christ's mission kind of fail on the cross? Doctrine is a big deal.

If we stay close to Christ and his doctrines we can walk his path and not others.
I know one thing, pinky and brain never give up and work in the cover of night. If they could, they would quiet and snuff out truth. By decepcion they make war.
Sneaky little guys..
North and South america are not evil, just full of normal people with normal passions and self interests. Power corrupts, so does the love of money.

The powers and principalities, some are evil and some are good. Is a war in heaven we just see the shadows from here. From God's perspective, the heavenly is the substance. The physical are the shadows, Gods world is upsidedown to this one. He did say that.

Ok, back to the hamster wheel... Narf..

 

[cubanito]

Oh, I believe things will change. Gog Magog will certainly mix things up. But change for the better might not happen until after the great and dreadful day when the great ho, (whoever and whatever she is) is judged and destroyed.

Thanks for explaining your understanding there @Kevin it is very interesting.

Is it the woman who rides the beast? Sounds like man made religion if the beast is man made goverment right?
I wonder if this is in our lifetime.

 

[Joleneakamama]

Is it the woman who rides the beast? Sounds like man made religion if the beast is man made goverment right?
I wonder if this is in our lifetime.

Personally I believe the woman has been persecuting believers since the beginning of the reign of Yeshua. The people at the start were those like Herod, an edomite, who persecuted and murdered the real Israelites (even when they were his own wife and sons!) and who's first loyalty was to self and then Rome for the power he could obtain and maintain through his political contacts.
Down through the centuries it has been secular Jews (adherents to Judaism) using money to accomplish their political goals. One author in the 80's believed the red beast was communism, but the documentary "The Money Masters" showing the workings of the "house of the red sheild" was very eye opening indeed and I believe shows part of who and what mystery Babylon is. Other Authors like the man who wrote "The Thirteenth Tribe" or the author of "The Mystery of the Gentiles" have very well made the case for the Edomite connection to the modern secular imposters who I believe are largely the destroyers of the innocent. (the scriptural prophesies about edom/edumia ... YHWH calls them a destroying mountain/nation) The real problem is people have left the creator, and truth.
This article is telling, and my hubby has recently met a survivor of the communist holocaust and read other books detailing events of those times.

http://orthodoxnet.com/blog/2011/07/men-have-forgotten-god-alexander-solzhenitsyn/#more-436

YHWH has declared the end from the beginning. It builds faith to see that this is so. Knowledge and understanding of truth should help us have peace about anything He asks us to face.
I hope I live to see the fall of Babylon....but I rejoice just knowing it will happen.

 

[cubanito]

Personally I believe the woman has been persecuting believers since the beginning of the reign of Yeshua. The people at the start were those like Herod, an edomite, who persecuted and murdered the real Israelites (even when they were his own wife and sons!) and who's first loyalty was to self and then Rome for the power he could obtain and maintain through his political contacts.
Down through the centuries it has been secular Jews (adherents to Judaism) using money to accomplish their political goals. One author in the 80's believed the red beast was communism, but the documentary "The Money Masters" showing the workings of the "house of the red sheild" was very eye opening indeed and I believe shows part of who and what mystery Babylon is. Other Authors like the man who wrote "The Thirteenth Tribe" or the author of "The Mystery of the Gentiles" have very well made the case for the Edomite connection to the modern secular imposters who I believe are largely the destroyers of the innocent. (the scriptural prophesies about edom/edumia ... YHWH calls them a destroying mountain/nation) The real problem is people have left the creator, and truth.
This article is telling, and my hubby has recently met a survivor of the communist holocaust and read other books detailing events of those times.

http://orthodoxnet.com/blog/2011/07/men-have-forgotten-god-alexander-solzhenitsyn/#more-436

YHWH has declared the end from the beginning. It builds faith to see that this is so. Knowledge and understanding of truth should help us have peace about anything He asks us to face.
I hope I live to see the fall of Babylon....but I rejoice just knowing it will happen.

Totally agree. Time will tell, is good to know He is in control. All we can do is diligently seek Him, the truth.
Beast and false prophet spirits have been around for a long time.
I just see the greater global beast project moving fast. Our powers are helping them become powerful and independent. Feels we are like a rocket stage pushing the global beast and that will end up depleated. Our young guys come back dead. One day the world beast might boycott us if we oppose them, because we are no longer useful to them. I like our people and constitution. We can still question things.
Is sad to see us loosing sovernty and real civil liberties so fast.

 

[cubanito]

Have you guys seen thousands of Orthodox jewish guys opposing zionism?
How come they don't get much media coverage?
My guess is they are not part of the approved global empire build narrarive. So, they are not heard even if they don't want war. Who wants war and deaths?
Brain wants to impose his will and tyrannical world domination. Pinky just goes along to get along I suppose. Lol

 

[Nikud]

If we don't have the right to kill, who gave it to governments? Can we give what we did not have?
We somehow create a beast.

We don't have the right to murder. Murder is against His nature, killing isn't. He has commanded killing and done so Himself. All Authority comes from The Father. Romans 13:1-2, "Let every person submit himself to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from Adonai, and those that exist are put in place by Adonai. So whoever opposes the authority has resisted Elohim's direction, and those who have resisted will bring judgment on themselves." This isn't A BLANKET OBEY the Government, were told to obey Him over all others so we can refuse to act in ways were commanded to by a government that go against His nature. Soldiers killing their enemy is never condemned in scripture. It is not against His nature, therefore not a Sin. But, Thanks for trying to condemn me and other soldiers who served and are serving their country while you've been comfortable at home, by using a flawed interpretation of that you use justify your belief. I know you don't care about political correctness, neither do I. I do care about Biblical correctness. There's things we can debate because the meaning is vague, but then there's things that are clear, well defined and Highlighted. You cant ignore them to justify your personal belief with out falling into legalism. I don't believe that your intentionally trying to condemn people but you are. There are two different Hebrew words (ratsakh, mut) and two Greek words (phoneuo, apokteino) for “murder” and “killing.” One means “to put to death,” and the other means “to murder.” The latter one is the one prohibited by the Ten Commandments, not the former. In fact, ratsakh has a broader definition than the English word “murder.” Ratsakh also covers deaths due to carelessness or neglect but is never used when describing killing during wartime.
I suggest doing an in depth study in the original languages and seeing for yourself the difference between murder and killing. Read in 1st Samuel about the authority that Elohim said would belong to a Secular government if a man was chosen to rule over man instead of Him.

Also I have a question. This is the only Biblical Topic you post on. Even when you post on other topics you connect it to "Uncle Beastie" is this the only subject you've done an In depth study on?

 

[cubanito]

We don't have the right to murder. Murder is against His nature, killing isn't. He has commanded killing and done so Himself. All Authority comes from The Father. Romans 13:1-2, "Let every person submit himself to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from Adonai, and those that exist are put in place by Adonai. So whoever opposes the authority has resisted Elohim's direction, and those who have resisted will bring judgment on themselves." This isn't A BLANKET OBEY the Government, were told to obey Him over all others so we can refuse to act in ways were commanded to by a government that go against His nature. Soldiers killing their enemy is never condemned in scripture. It is not against His nature, therefore not a Sin. But, Thanks for trying to condemn me and other soldiers who served and are serving their country while you've been comfortable at home, by using a flawed interpretation of that you use justify your belief. I know you don't care about political correctness, neither do I. I do care about Biblical correctness. There's things we can debate because the meaning is vague, but then there's things that are clear, well defined and Highlighted. You cant ignore them to justify your personal belief with out falling into legalism. I don't believe that your intentionally trying to condemn people but you are. There are two different Hebrew words (ratsakh, mut) and two Greek words (phoneuo, apokteino) for “murder” and “killing.” One means “to put to death,” and the other means “to murder.” The latter one is the one prohibited by the Ten Commandments, not the former. In fact, ratsakh has a broader definition than the English word “murder.” Ratsakh also covers deaths due to carelessness or neglect but is never used when describing killing during wartime.
I suggest doing an in depth study in the original languages and seeing for yourself the difference between murder and killing. Read in 1st Samuel about the authority that Elohim said would belong to a Secular government if a man was chosen to rule over man instead of Him.

Also I have a question. This is the only Biblical Topic you post on. Even when you post on other topics you connect it to "Uncle Beastie" is this the only subject you've done an In depth study on?

Many topics are connected like what does pornography have to do with logos and order or revolutionary destabilizing.
Is it freedom or one weapon to enslave people and family?
Remember I am half jewish and is not a racial thing. Is a spiritual thing like circumcision. So are saved and unsaved Israel.

The flesh is temporal and passes away and there is no Master race or sacred sperm.
Is kind of simple if you use new covenant Christ as the filter.
If not it will be very complicated.
Have you guys done a study of logos and anti logos? The power of self helps drive anti logos.
God is divine order and still gives us free will.
Revolutionary's spirit is usually driven by radical power of self. It wants to quiet others and remove their free will.
Did Christ ever try to quiet others in any way? The religious spirit did, not even the Roman beastie.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/memlIDAzcSQq/

 

[Nikud]

Many topics are connected like what does pornography have to do with logos and order or revolutionary destabilizing.
Is it freedom or one weapon to enslave people and family?
Remember I am half jewish and is not a racial thing. Is a spiritual thing like circumcision. So are saved and unsaved Israel.

The flesh is temporal and passes away and there is no Master race or sacred sperm.
Is kind of simple if you use new covenant Christ as the filter.
If not it will be very complicated.
Have you guys done a study of logos and anti logos? The power of self helps drive anti logos.
God is divine order and still gives us free will.
Revolutionary's spirit is usually driven by radical power of self. It wants to quiet others and remove their free will.
Did Christ ever try to quiet others in any way? The religious spirit did, not even the Roman beastie.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/memlIDAzcSQq/

Please give scripture to support your beliefs or reference scripture in connection to your questions, so I have a foundation to know where your coming from. If your going to use your opinions to try and sway me don't. I have no interest in debating your opinions because everyone has a right to an opinion, but an opinion without scripture to back it up is just another tradition of man presented as the word of Adonai. As for the race thing Ethnicity only maters when it comes to the fulfillment of Prophecy. Through the Filter of the renewed covenant there is neither Jew nor Gentile, and His Grace is for all who have had their hearts circumcised. The "there is no Master race or sacred sperm", is your hang up, I've nor anyone currently on the forum have posted that or anything similar. I was just pointing out the details in paraphrase of what you've posted. Being half Jewish doesn't automatically make what you say as not a race thing, I know plenty of self loathing Jews who it is a race thing and blame Jews for everything and I know those of European decent (white) who are self loathing hate other white people and blame the white man for everything. I'm going on the assumption that when you say Jew your talking about those who practice Judaism not ethnically Jew. Tell me if I'm wrong in that assumption, I don't want to make an ass out of you and me.

I believe that the adversary uses truths and omits truths to deceive us. The Enemy also knows scripture very well and if we don't understand the actual language used it's easier for us not to catch him deceiving us. Another thing is that he gets us so focused and obsessed on things we cant control that we don't follow the instructions Yeshua gave us, we inadvertently ignore His teachings, and sometimes see demons in every shadow. That being said, I like to study things out myself instead of just taking someone's word for it. So, I need some clarification and I have a few questions.

"Have you guys done a study of logos and anti logos? The power of self helps drive anti logos"

Where can I find this in scripture?

Please, using scripture, explain your interpretation of The Fathers divine order and definition of free will.

"Revolutionary's spirit is usually driven by radical power of self. It wants to quiet others and remove their free will."

Where can I find this in scripture? I was under the impression that the adversary loves our free will because that's how he comes between us and The Father.

Did Christ ever try to quiet others in any way? The religious spirit did, not even the Roman beastie.

Yes, The Pharisees and Sadducees and their traditions of man. False teachers are warned against and rebuked for the purpose of being silenced. Titus 1:10-16 There is more if you want I can send you.

Do you have scripture that shows the opposite?

 

[Shibboleth]

I'm just gonna leave this here...

 

[Nikud]

Disclaimer: This next statement is not questioning anyone's salvation.

We find no joy in an uncultivated field and the work that it represents, its when that field is cultivated and its time for Harvest we have Joy. Prophecy is not meant to cause fear and anger of the adversary, as it unfolds its meant to show us the reason for our Joy. If were not secure in our salvation, the promises of Elohim and our relationship with Yeshua then we find ourselves afraid and angry about prophecy unfolding. We rally to fight against the adversary, to try and prevent prophecy from unfolding. Just like the adversary is trying prevent prophecy from unfolding and trying to thwart the will of The Father in vain. The pieces are on the board but the games already won. The enemy is playing checkers when the game set being played by Adonai is the game of Kings. Just because the adversary says king me I have my piece where it needs to be means nothing. The game has already been won. Yeshua was the checkmate. We should be focus on the mission given to use by Yeshua instead of focusing on what the enemy is doing and trying to stop him, because in the end not only is it futile we would be helping the adversary attempt to thwart Elohim's will. Now looking at what is unfolding and taking Joy in fact that soon well be kneeling before the Father and the adversary will be burning in a lake of fire is a different subject. Spread the Joy not fear and anger.

 

[Joleneakamama]

Prophecy is not meant to cause fear and anger, as it unfolds its meant to show us the reason for our Joy

Totally agree!

The game has already been won. Yeshua was the checkmate.

Super comforting truth right there.

We should be focus on the mission given to use by Yeshua instead of focusing on what the enemy is doing and trying to stop him, because in the end not only is it futile we would be helping the adversary attempt to thwart Elohim's will.

There was two parts to the final instructions as I recall. One was the great commission. "Go into all the world and share the good news." The other was "occupy until I come." That means holding the ground/territory that was already under His dominion. Salt prevents spoilage, (moral decay) light helps people see a better way.

The only valid reason I know of to try and change the understanding of others is because people perish daily from lack of truthful knowlege. I don't see it as fighting against YHWH's plan to try and help others understand scripture and prophesy from a different point of view....and perhaps recognize the workings of Mystery Babylon....and man made counterfeits to the truth (church instead of called out ecclesia for example)

In the end there will only be two sides.
We all decide what we believe based on the understanding of truth we have.
Conscience requires sharing the truth at times.

Totally agree that believers should have peace....that passes understanding even.

We see "the adversary" differently then most. Not in opposition to YHWH but rather as His tool to minister the curses for disobedience on His children.

Biblical "salvation" is different from the modern concept too.....but those are other subjects.

 

[Nikud]

The only valid reason I know of to try and change the understanding of others is because people perish daily from lack of truthful knowlege. I don't see it as fighting against YHWH's plan to try and help others understand scripture and prophesy from a different point of view....and perhaps recognize the workings of Mystery Babylon....and man made counterfeits to the truth (church instead of called out ecclesia for example)

Helping others to see prophecy unfolding is great. It should bring Joy knowing that Abba's plan is coming to fruition. If it brings fear of Elohim's judgement even better. To quote Ray Wylie Hubbard "Some get spiritual because they see the light, others because they feel the Heat". If it only spreads a message of fear of the workings of the adversary, an unclear message, or the spirit of rebellion then its unfruitful works.

We see "the adversary" differently then most. Not in opposition to YHWH but rather as His tool to minister the curses for disobedience on His children.

I'm familiar with this concept and teaching but I don't feel its on point. Isaiah 14:12-15 points out that the hasatan rebelled against Elohim and was cast out. Since its not a salvation issue I tend to let it stand as it is. A lot of the teaching stems from The Book of Iyov (Job) but I find that it conflicts with the interaction between hasatan with Yeshua. If hasatan wasn't in rebellion why would he try to tempt and deceive the Word made Flesh. It doesn't conflict if one is of the belief that Yeshua was not Elohim Tabernacling in the flesh but a mortal adopted son of Elohim and hasatan was simply doing what he was created to do, which is a salvation issue as I understand scripture.

Isaiah 14:12-18
12 How you have fallen from heaven,
O brighstar, son of the dawn!
How you are cut down to the earth,
you who made the nations prostrate!
13 You said in your heart:
“I will ascend to heaven,
I will exalt my throne above the stars of God.
I will sit upon the mount of meeting,
in the uttermost parts of the north.
14 I will ascend above the high places of the clouds—
I will make myself like The Most High.”
15 Yet you will be brought down to Sheol,
to the lowest parts of the Pit.

16 Those who see you will stare at you,
reflecting on what has become of you:
“Is this the one who shook the earth,
who made kingdoms tremble,
17 who made the world a wilderness
and destroyed its cities,
who never opened the house of his prisoners?”
18 All the kings of the nations, all of them,
lie in glory, each in his own house.

 

[Joleneakamama]

Isaiah 14:12-15 points out that the hasatan rebelled against Elohim and was cast out.

If you back up a few verses you get the context.
Here is Isaiah 14:4
King James Version
That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased!

I know no version is perfect, but the Strongs concordance says that the mistranslstion "Lucifer" in that passage is a title applied to the king of Babylon.
It is interesting to look at all the places in scripture that Satan appears, and the context and usage of the term.
There are two accounts of David numbering the children of Israel, and one says that Satan stood up against Israel and caused David to number the people, the other says that YHWH was unhappy with the people, and caused David to number them. Interesting I think.

 

[cubanito]

True, satan is defeated in the eternal. We are living the temporal script. In the kingdom we are already seated with Christ.

From what I see, there is saved born again new covenant israel which we are part of in christ. There is also the old covenant who was superseded by the new covenant right?
Salvation is a very personal thing and we can not assume or judge in people.
Here we just share interpretations in the hope we can grow.
Just wanted to say hi from another hemisphere. Here is very traditional but the liberal destabilizing trends are coming like the tide or flood too. So is global. Shalom