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Philip Sharp and His Seven Wives

lutherangirl

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I first found out about polygamist lifestyles other than FLDS from watching a documentary about a former Messianic Jewish Rabbi named, Philip Sharp, who is married to seven women, living in Sussex. Does anyone know if he every visits this site for information?

Here is the link to learn more about him:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstop ... wives.html

God's Blessings,

Michelle
 
I gotta admit - speaking solely for myself - that I'm getting more than a little sick of seeing 'high-profile polygamists' sucking at the public teat. I would hope that those who claim to be "messianic" and, teachers to boot, would have a little bit more understanding of Who they serve and whence comes their provision - and that it's not Caesar.
 
Mark,

Are you saying that he is doing the documentary for money or just to get the word out there about polygamy?

Michelle
 
Neither, Michelle. (And no offense to you is intended, of course.) It was an instructive piece.

I don't know his motives. But if the article is correct, I know that his fruit includes a violation of God's Word:
"Mr Sharp claims £800 a month in child benefits."

God-fearing polygynists took a bad rap for the similar mooching of Tom Green several years ago, who also "provided" for his wives via the surrogate theft of the public dole. More recently, the nation watched as children were kidnapped from the homes of FLDS parents in Texas -- again, with the claim of a public interest (ownership) in 'the children'.

Big Brother has long made it clear that "Old" laws, whether they be Written in the Bible or the Constitution, will not stop him from "calling evil good, and good evil", or from the attempt at "forbidding to marry", for that matter. We must know whether we belong to God or another master.

But the demonization of people who look like they are obeying God, while in fact they carry Caesar's mark, and submit themselves to Caesar for his 'blessing', has long been one of Satan's most deceptive weapons. We need to keep watch on the wolves, and learn to be wise as serpents.


Blessings,

Mark
 
Mark,

I didn't take offense, but thank you for being concerned. To be honest with you I didn't even pick up on the part about the child benefits in the article. It wasn't mentioned in the documentary I watched on the Sundance channel. I just was interested in his lifestyle. When it comes to money, I just need enough to pay the bills and eat.

I know that I told you I didn't like the governments view on Church and State issues, but we have a lot of freedom in America. Is there any other country that would allow us to do as much as we can here?

I said before I'm a little plain speaking. Am I missing your points about the "Big Brother" "Caesar" thing?

Michelle
 
I know that I told you I didn't like the governments view on Church and State issues, but we have a lot of freedom in America. Is there any other country that would allow us to do as much as we can here?

I said before I'm a little plain speaking. Am I missing your points about the "Big Brother" "Caesar" thing?

To answer the second question first, I'm not sure. I've written on the Caesar thing so often that I hope I was being clear - but it's possible I am assuming you've read other things that perhaps you haven't...

So, I will speak plainly. ;)

As to the government's view on Church and State, that's a good place to start.
This nation was once a Constitutional Republic (and NEVER a "democracy", although I suspect not one congresscritter in a hundred knows that, or could explain the difference).

The essence of government under God was once summed up in the second paragraph of the Declaration of Independence..."that all men...are endowed by their Creator...with Rights..." and that the singular reason why governments are instituted is "to secure these Rights". That such "just powers" are "derived from the consent of the governed".

"No king but King Jesus" was a rallying cry from those days, but unfortunately no more. Not only presidents but treasury secretaries and central bankers, and those who own them, all seem to be above the law. Regulators, don't. (They were never constitutional to begin with, of course, so that outcome at least was inevitable.) Our fake "money" bears no more resemblance to what God described as "honest" weights and measures than this 'democracy' does to the old Republic.

Finally, Michelle, I'd have to make a correction to the central point of your first question. It's not so much about how "much freedom" we have, but how much we have left. Even if it is still true that everywhere else in the world, or through most of history, is still worse, that claim obscures the fact that we have watched as "essential liberty has been traded for a little temporary security" for long enough to know how much has been lost. (I used to joke on my radio show that we would have to keep a copy of a "search warrant" around just so future school indoctrinees could see how quaint they were. I've stood in "free speech zones" and asked cops if they knew what the oath they once swore meant. I know personally which Bible verses will now get one arrested. And I don't even joke about the "even numbered amendments" in the obsolete "Bill of Rights" any more.)

I do have a problem with the concept of what we are "allowed" to do. Somehow I don't think a man like Patrick Henry would have accepted that premise*. Back when we had a government of Law, and not of men, power was delegated TO the state from those who created it. It was GOVERNMENT that was allowed to do certain things - and ONLY those enumerated, specific, certain things. Sadly, that has changed - has it not?

And as for the rest of the world, I do have one observation. Very few other nations, from Brazil to Botswana, have the police state infrastructure to support the coming "Mark" yet, as this nation does. Pedestrians in Honduras aren't acclimated to being video-monitored at every intersection, grocery store, and butcher stand, or going through metal detectors in order to meet their civil "servants", judges, and schoolteachers.

Samuel warned the people what a king would do - if they persisted in demanding a king like "all the other nations". (I Sam. 8, esp. v. 7) We once knew better, too.


Blessings,

Mark


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* And I don't think many people under the age of 40 would even know who he was.
 
Mark,

Let me start off by saying thank you for speaking plainly. I enjoy your insight and desire to make America the good way it use to be or should I say Godly way it use to be--this comes across very clearly in your writing. You have made a valid case about "what is wrong with out government." I imagine it was hard for Jesus to live under the form of government during His days on earth.

I'm glad there are people like yourself that are watching out for us common folk, making sure the government doesn't overstep their boundaries. However, I worry that some "watchers" are part of the problem and not the solution. These type of people make sure they put everyone on notice but don't offer any solutions to fix the problems.

Plus, we as citizens need to be careful of the message being delivered to our soliders whom are defending our freedoms and peaceful sleep. Even in peaceful times (which I pray for daily), we need them as Romans 13:1-6 NIV clarifies "The authorities that exist have been established by God. He who rebels against the authority is rebelling against God."

I would love to find a country that is like the old America use to be, but it is like finding a perfect home, unless you build it yourself, you will always find things your not happy with. Until we reach that one perfect heavenly home, we have to be content where we are at as Philippians 4:12-14 states.

Once again, thanks for your wonderful elocution of this subject.

In His Service,
Michelle
 
Thank you lutherangirl for posting the article link. Very interesting. Frankly, I was more intrigued by Sharp's purported claim that God told him he was an Old Testament king. It's always wise to take what the UK media says with a grain of salt. The Brits thrive on scandal stories. He may have only said that he had the right to have many wives because of the allowance granted to the Israelite kings. Whatever he claimed, apparently his congregation dismissed him since he is a "former" rabbi.

I'm not particularly upset over his drawing £800 per month ($1300 in US dollars at the current exchange rate). The UK is a socialist country. The real thieving is being done by the government. The welfare system is set up to help people in need, so what moral criteria should the government use to prefer one child over another? At least Sharp is taking responsibility for his family and doing what he can to support them. He hasn't abandoned his wives as so often happens in America. The social welfare system there keeps tabs on recipients and I would imagine that when his business does better his welfare payments will decrease.
 
QMCO,

Welcome! I didn't get too many responses from this link, so I don't know if it was so good or not.

Thanks for sharing the information about the British government system.

I think that Mr. Sharp has two more children since the show aired.

Michelle
 
Unless one personally knows the Sharp family, one should not demonize them.
Believers who believe in the concept of Biblical Families are already so small, and to demonize one of them, because of what one perceives, does not appear very biblical. Please get facts straight direct from that person in question, if need be, and then make your decision. Since when are secular news articles, or tv shows, Gospel Truth?
 
i don't know anything about this Sharp "Gentleman" (or i hope he is one) But i just have to say this Mark, you sound so much like a friend of mine, i think you may be his political clone! He is also poly and Christian, but i do not believe he is on here. With his work, family and other commitments, i don't see how he'd have the time. i just got a kick out of how you sound almost like you're quoting him - which i know you are not. j/L "Granny" Matrika
 
Anyone, that has done their homework properly, will sound just like Mark C. He has good understanding, but I'm very surprised that He's allowed to say that much truth on here.

Me,
 
It has been 5 years since Mark made his comments and they become truer each day.
 
Shalom All, I know brother Phil well and though we disagree on his messiah ben Joseph claim, he is to the best of my knowledge a good abba and husband and to his credit usually manages his home well and with honor.
 
Actually that Mark was incorrect, in England where this family are from, they have a sort of national child benefit that everyone receives as a right, it is not something you opt into, it is something the government gives all parents. The article was just pointing out that he has a lot of kids, but IIRC the child benefit is usually pad to the Mother, not the father.

So, Mr. Sharp has been judged unfairly.

Bels - Reminding folks that not every country does things the way the USA does them!
 
Bels, it's great to see you again, I've been wondering where you were! Welcome back!
 
I have been annoying other people for a change. ;)
 
Well, come back & annoy us!

Good to hear from you, Bels!
 
Just for you Cecil!! ;)
 
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