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Pants for women?

Yes, when you land in the airport in Fiji about the the first people you see are airport security police wearing formal uniform sulus. Here are some Fijian police officers. You couldn't really mistake these gun-toting guys for women:
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This is a serious question: Would any of our patriarchal men on this site wear a kilt or tunic out in public on a daily basis in the name of masculinity? Curious.
Not enough pockets.
Cargo shorts are what I am stuck on.
 
Yes, when you land in the airport in Fiji about the the first people you see are airport security police wearing formal uniform sulus. Here are some Fijian police officers. You couldn't really mistake these gun-toting guys for women:
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Doesn’t look like they could run very fast in those sulus... must be why they’re carrying m16’s
 
Furthermore, to be honest, there are anatomical reasons that mean that the healthiest attire for a man is a kilt or such garment worn commando, it lowers the temperature of the testes and increases sperm count

Not so in the great white north.

It's only in very recent centuries where fabrics have become simultaneously affordable and strong enough for trousers to become an everyday-wear item. So this whole trousers / skirts dichotomy is missing the point in my opinion - historically it hasn't even been a question.

Trousers on European men predate industrial looms by millenniums. Apparently, the practice of my ancestors wearing trousers goes back to paleolithic times; basically as far back as history and archeology is able to discern.

in most ancient cultures (in temperate climates) both men and women wore flowing tunics of some sort

Amoung the Greco-Roman Mediterranean cultures yes. But not amoung the Germanic peoples who populated Europe. In fact it was trousers that the Roman's used in their art to signify Germanic tribal peoples. So too did the Celts wear pants. In both cultures it was only the men who did so.

As a person of European descent, my people have kept this distinction of men wearing pants and woman not for literally more than 4000 years. It has only changed in the last 100 years as the communists have utilized feminism in an open attempt to destroy our civilization.

By our women wearing traditional female dress not only do we upholding the distinctions between the sexes, we reject the influences and perspectives of those who wish to destroy us.

And I would answer that by simply saying "if she's obviously female, she's in feminine attire", vice versa for men, and "if you can't tell, they're doing it wrong".

A sufficiently feminine woman will still look feminine when wearing men's cloths. But she's still wearing mens cloths and that the problem. It's not just a problem of confusion, but of eliminating distinctions between sexes. That is the whole reason our culture was propogandized to get woman to abandon dresses.

Spend a little time in an island country like Fiji, where men - even the police - wear "skirts". I think it'll help you get over your modern cultural biases and you'll discover women in pants isn't a big problem.

I don't know how Fijians distinguish clothing between the sexes, nor do I care as it is not my culture. The modern cultural bias isn't for females to wear dresses, but for them to wear whatever they want, usually jeans. It is the ancient historic European culture for women to wear dresses. Even today, as rare as wearing them is, dresses are still distinctly feminine wear.
 
This is a serious question: Would any of our patriarchal men on this site wear a kilt or tunic out in public on a daily basis in the name of masculinity? Curious.
Serious answer: Yes, if I had one that fit, I would regularly wear a kilt, ideally in family tartan. I have long intended to buy one but don't spend much money on clothing for myself.
Not enough pockets.
Cargo shorts are what I am stuck on.
That's what a sporran is for (ie, a medieval belt pouch - worn by solders and anyone for thousands of years in many cultures, but only really preserved in Scotland as everyone else moved to pockets). They've got more space than several pockets together.
And it's why you stick your knife in your sock.
Not so in the great white north.
Where it's cold like Scotland...

Interestingly, the kilt in its modern form is a rather modern invention, as are clan tartans. The traditional dress of Gaelic people in Scotland and Ireland was actually a leine - which was a shirt that went down to the ankles or knees - very similar to Biblical garments. Women wore it to the ankles as a dress, men could wear it any way but would hitch it up with a belt for practicality when required. For warmth, a brat (cloak) was also worn over the shoulders, which could be wool or simply a tanned cowhide. As people became wealthier and could afford more wool, the cloak became longer, and eventually evolved into the belted plaid, which is a long blanket wrapped around like a kilt and upper body covering, all tied together with a belt - extremely practical for cold outdoor living as it's so multipurpose, you can wear it and sleep in it. Then that was reduced in size and eventually stitched into pleats to get the modern decorative kilt, which is a rather stylised clothing item, isn't really very traditional at all and, being sown into pleats, cannot be spread out as a blanket any more - it's a symbol of tradition rather than being actually traditional. My point is simply that a tunic-style dress for men has an ancient European history also.

Interestingly, they did wear a form of trousers too in particularly cold weather - but these were more extended socks, the longest forms of which reached right up to the waist.

Very interesting history of trousers by the way, I didn't realise they were quite so ancient. For me, having French, Scottish and all manner of other heritage, while living in the South Pacific, I can basically pick what traditions I like and find some legitimate sounding excuse to call them my own... :)

I do agree with you that women are most clearly women in skirts and dresses. I strongly encourage my wife and daughters to wear these, and much prefer my wife in a dress. I actually agree with you on this point, in general, except I don't take a hard line on it and am happy for them to wear differently when that is more practical.
 
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This is a serious question: Would any of our patriarchal men on this site wear a kilt or tunic out in public on a daily basis in the name of masculinity? Curious.

No. I'm not one for fashion statements.

Jeans - winter.
Cargo shorts - summer.
T-shirt - year round.
 
For the British Isles, Scotland is cold. But not really compared to Scandinavia or the US upper Midwest.

Last week we had -52 F windchill.

I do agree with you that women are most clearly women in skirts and dresses. I strongly encourage my wife and daughters to wear these, and much prefer my wife in a dress. I actually agree with you on this point, in general, except I don't take a hard line on it and am happy for them to wear differently when that is more practical.

Ya ultimately, a wives and daughters should dress to please the head of the house.
 
I should point out that a woman could be in a full length dress that covers from wrist to ankle and still be completely immodest. It is impossible to write a hard rule for modesty. And we all know these are some of the less outrageous examples. By comparison a woman in "mom jeans" would be very modest. I still prefer skirts and dresses though. View attachment 712 View attachment 713
if I had a figure id were studding modest dresses but I do not so I feel I weare paints a lot not tight fitting .
saying that in last 2y I can not were dress that often 1 I only have about 3 as we live in a camper lol watch this space in next 4 months we be in our home .
 
On the differentiation between men and women with clothing:

Central to the feminist project is the suppression of modesty, in which the sexual revolution played a critical preparatory role …Modesty in the old dispensation was the female virtue, because it governed the powerful desire that related men to women, providing a gratification in harmony with the procreation and rearing of children, the risk and responsibility of which fell naturally — that is, biologically — on women...

Diminution or suppression of modesty certainly makes attaining the end of desire easier - which was the intention of the sexual revolution - but it also dismantles the structure of involvement and attachment, reducing sex to the thing-in-itself.

Female modesty extends sexual differentiation from the sexual act to the whole of life. It makes men and women always men and women. The consciousness of directedness toward one another, and its attractions and inhibitions, inform every common deed. As long as modesty operates, men and women together are never just lawyers or pilots together. They have something else, always potentially very important, in common - ultimate ends, or as they say, "life goals."...

Modesty is a constant reminder of their peculiar relatedness and its outer forms and inner sentiments, which impede the self’s free creation or capitalism’s technical division of labor. It is a voice constantly repeating that a man and a woman have a work to do together that is far different from that found in the marketplace, and of a far greater importance.
 
^^^ Great quote from a great book.
 
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