"Not God's 'Ideal' Plan"

[Shadowjak's Dancer]

So I was thinking about this particular angle that many anti-PM'ers like to take, specifically that "PM is not God's 'ideal' plan"... Well, first it should be noted that if this argument can stand in it's own right, it has to first be acknowledged that PM isn't actually an outright damnable sin, due to the fact that the argument mentioned above is a much more toned down line, ( like saying, "well, it might not be all that bad, but it's not that great either, so there!" )

To address the main topic, here's a thought: For those who are always harping on "God's ideal plan", why don't they also take this line to argue against monogamy? After all, if one takes the teaching of Paul the Apostle at face value, then it is better to stay single than to marry at all. So, it could be argued that the 'ideal', as Paul teaches, is to not marry.

Yet being married is okay, even if it could be argued that it is not ideal...

Nothing wrong with using their own logic against them, right? So, if it would be just plain silly to ban marriage on the basis that it isn't always ideal, then it shouldn't make any sense to ban PM for the same reason. Thus the "ideal" argument shouldn't hold any real water when it comes to marriage in general, except that we should strive for the ideal of loving our wives as Messiah loves His people.

(... did I just say "loving our wives"? ) :roll:

 

[CecilW]

To me, the real problem with this particular argument is that the Bible NOWHERE states, "This is God's ideal. That isn't."

So for someone to assert any such thing proves one of two things:
** They are truly ignorant, or
** They are a liar.

As to Paul, not even he had the right to over-rule God, who said at creation that it is NOT GOOD for mankind to be alone. Furthermore, elsewhere Paul instructed that young widows who were trying to make the choice to remain alone instead marry. So I truly doubt that he intended to over-turn God's pronouncement.

For them to make such a statement, the burden of proof is upon themselves -- especially since PM is the only plan which provides for every woman. God has not, so far, seen fit to use the other options which could solve the problem.

 

[Shadowjak's Dancer]

Absolutely, I agree. Especially about the burden of proof idea. I think one could argue a "stronger" ( yet as you rightly point out: flawed ) argument against marriage in general based on Paul's words, than the "Scripture Based" arguments against PM.

 

[CecilW]

I think one could argue a "stronger" ( yet as you rightly point out: flawed ) argument against marriage in general based on Paul's words, than the "Scripture Based" arguments against PM.

I disagree, since Paul clearly says, "This is MY idea, not God's." and also says stuff to the effect of "... because of the present crisis..."

Yes, it is in the Bible. So is David, a man after God's own heart, taking Bathsheba and getting Uriah killed. Doesn't mean either was doing or saying God's will.

Someone recently told me, "The more I get into this pm thang, the more I just dislike women!" Why? He's had quite a run of losers trying to latch onto him. Some of them amazingly inappropriate! Don't blame him.

When he writes about the Bible and PM, I often find myself wishing I was as smart as he. Or maybe inspired. But on this topic? I understand him. Even see it as a fulfillment of Isaiah 3. But don't consider it inspired. Just human.

I LOVE Paul (the apostle)'s writing. I'm finally getting some sort of a handle on this new covenant stuff. But when he SAYS, this is me writing, not God, I believe him and refuse to use that portion for theology, else I will be clearly teaching as doctrine the tradition of men.

I mean, if he SAYS, "This is from me, a man, not from God" ... how could we or anyone possibly justify building a theology on it? In the face of Jesus' condemnation of the practice?

 

[steve]

YHWH's "best plan" in the garden was the one where every available woman was married.


every woman, in my never-to-be-considered-humble opinion, has the YHWH given right to be married. this is not true of men, they have to prove themselves worthy. (still fakin it like crazy myself)