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Pacman

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I'm curious of folks thoughts about "strong language" particularly coming from ladies. I personally use zero curse words and very few "crude" words although I no longer believe that it's wrong to use such "strong" language.

So specifically I dislike "strong language" coming from women and I do not allow any sort of "strong language" even crude language from my wife or daughters.

Just curious of others opinions about this. Am I alone in my distaste for it coming from women?
 
I wouldn't say that there is nothing wrong with it. Paul specifically said that we should not allow unclean language to come out of our lips. So there are three categories to look at: Profanity, which is taking God's name in vain, or blaspheming Jesus, and is definitely prohibited, Vulgarity, which falls under unclean language, and derogatory language, which James wrote about when he said that with the same mouth, we praise God, and then we turn around( paraphrasing here) and curse our fellow man. I think we should strive to eliminate the latter two, but that can be extremely difficult, especially when someone grows up in that environment where it is spoke a lot. When someone uses the name of Jesus like a four letter word, I sincerely doubt that that individual, is a true follower of the one whose name they just abused. I stole this from one of those Wayne Watson songs that I heard when I was a teenager, which was like yesterday, I think (TIC), "they otta call it out in prayer instead."
 
Taking God's name in vain is obviously wrong.

Beyond that vulgar speech must be divided into vulgar topics vs vulgar words.

The concept of "vulgar words" is somewhat arbitrary and cultural perceptions of it change over time. For example, take four words for excrement - "poo", "crap", "shit" and "faeces". The first is considered entirely fine - we teach it to our children. The second was considered somewhat vulgar when I was a child but is now basically part of normal vocabulary. The third is considered vulgar. The fourth is considered medical terminology. Why? There isn't really any logical basis for why one word is acceptable and another with the same meaning is considered a "swear word". These days, I reject this entire concept as illogical - but choose my words purely based on social acceptability so as not to cause offence to the hearer, not because there is anything right or wrong in certain words.

Scripturally, I think that vulgar speech is about vulgar topics, not words. Ephesians 5:11-12:
"Have no fellowship with the unfruitful deeds of darkness, but rather even reprove them.
For it is a shame even to speak of the things which are done by them in secret."
The topic is what matters. The words used to describe the topic are irrelevant.

I'm curious of folks thoughts about "strong language" particularly coming from ladies. I personally use zero curse words and very few "crude" words although I no longer believe that it's wrong to use such "strong" language.

So specifically I dislike "strong language" coming from women and I do not allow any sort of "strong language" even crude language from my wife or daughters.

Just curious of others opinions about this. Am I alone in my distaste for it coming from women?
I understand where you are coming from, in that there is a social norm that some words are vulgar, and another social norm that men are expected to be vulgar while women are expected to be dainty and perfect. The combination of those two social norms is where you have got your gut reaction against strong language from women. But as I said above, it's illogical and unscriptural, just a matter of social norms. There is no reason to specifically target women for criticism or control in this area.
 
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Words convey one's thoughts, ideas, desires, etc. to others. As far as I'm concerned, we should be able to express ourselves without punctuating a sentence with unnecessary expletives. I find the practice unattractive in both men and women when they do that and will not tolerate it in my home. Some things to keep in mind; in Col. 4:6 it says, Let your speech always be with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer each one (Col. 4:6). And Jesus said, "A good man out of the good treasure of his heart brings forth good things, and an evil man out of the evil treasure brings forth evil things. But I say to you that for every idle word men may speak, they will give account of it in the day of judgment" (Matt. 12:35, 36). Cheers
 
As far as I'm concerned, we should be able to express ourselves without punctuating a sentence with unnecessary expletives. I find the practice unattractive in both men and women when they do that and will not tolerate it in my home.
You're correct, for some reason I missed that third aspect of vulgarity, expletives, and it's the most common one...
Matthew 5:37: "But let your ‘Yes’ be ‘Yes’ and your ‘No’ be ‘No.’ Whatever is more than these is of the evil one."
Fully agree this behaviour should be discouraged in both men and women (not just in women).
 
For example, take four words for excrement - "poo", "crap", "shit" and "faeces". The first is considered entirely fine - we teach it to our children. The second was considered somewhat vulgar when I was a child but is now basically part of normal vocabulary. The third is considered vulgar. The fourth is considered medical terminology. Why?
As far as I'm concerned, we should be able to express ourselves without punctuating a sentence with unnecessary expletives

Totally agree that use of four letter words indicates a lack of vocabulary and/or a lack of control.

That said, I find that comedian ISMO hilarious, particularly his poking fun at all the ways people use (or is that misuse?) "ass" and "shit" in English.
 
Sheesh!

And I start that way as an illustration.

There is a slippery slope between legislating speech and legislating thought. Prior to my conversion to patriarchy, my wife made an edict in our family against cursing, and I agreed to assist her in enforcing that. However, I discovered a healthy dose of arbitrariness was being utilized in its application (@FollowingHim points to this). Some words were verboten, and yet others that meant the same thing and were also lazy slang alternatives to an official word were tolerated. So, as I was easing myself into the role of head of household, I initiated an extended conversation with Kristin and the kids about cursing, vulgarity, etc. The first thing I introduced was that this was one of those areas of being in which one's greatest guidance could come from looking to the heart/conscience with which our Creator endowed us. Make the assessment for oneself: is this a manner of speaking that (a) truly represents what is in one's heart?, (b) truly honors and glorifies one's Creator, and (c) will communicate exactly what one wants to communicate? If not, then we're probably cheating, and it's not for any of us to stand in constant judgment about, just something to wrestle with individually.

But I did make another point. I got them to brainstorm a list of what categories of speech could fall under the rubric of 'cursing,' and eventually someone added taking the name of the Lord in vain, so I asked, what are all the examples of taking the name of the Lord in vain and/or demonstrating verbal disrespect for God. They were quick with asserting that it was inappropriate to blurt out, "Jesus Christ," or curse along the lines of, "God damn it!" I took that a step further by then asking them to list all the weasel ways in which we say the same things but cheat ourselves into thinking we're skirted around it. "Gol durn it," is an example. "Fudge ripple," was another. And if using "Jesus Christ" as an expletive is inappropriate, then it's really not any better to substitute "Jeez" . . . or "Sheesh," right?

To come back to your original question, though, @Pacman, I'll repeat that my opinion is that the focus is best place elsewhere than on policing others -- most specifically within our own individual selves. Search our own hearts for what underlies the motivation to curse. My experience is that it's usually a result of some frustration combined with a failure to identify and articulate the associated emotions, behaviors and decisions.

Lastly, I'll add this perspective. Over 4 decades ago, I spent a year as the lead teacher in one of Georgia's public school psychoeducation centers, a place where emotionally-disturbed students spent half their day in basically educational/developmental group therapy. These collections of children included everyone from rape victims to moderately-autistic individuals to a boy who had shot his older sister dead because she wouldn't share her teddy bear. At the beginning of the year, there was a lot of swearing, and my teacher's assistance seemed to be constantly correcting them and condemning them for their verbal behavior, so I took a paradoxical approach: I legalized swearing of any kind. I gave them all permission to say any word they could think of, no matter how vile, as long as it didn't involve threats against another person. I also gave them permission to draw whatever they wanted to draw. For a couple days, we were drowning in verbal and pictorial asses, cunts, cocks, shit, fucks, motherfuckers, cocksuckers, dickfaces and blowholes. The weekend arrived, they all went home and returned Monday, a couple with questioning notes from parents, and a few who temporarily ratcheted back up their expletives. But by Wednesday it was over. For the next 7 months. Done. Once the rebellion and the stigma and the shock value were removed, so was the motivation. All those kids continued to carry with them the individual problems they'd arrived with, but they no longer swore -- and regularly turned to each other for advice about how to best communicate with words that weren't so colorful.
 
The first thing I introduced was that this was one of those areas of being in which one's greatest guidance could come from looking to the heart/conscience with which our Creator endowed us. Make the assessment for oneself: is this a manner of speaking that (a) truly represents what is in one's heart?, (b) truly honors and glorifies one's Creator, and (c) will communicate exactly what one wants to communicate? If not, then we're probably cheating, and it's not for any of us to stand in constant judgment about, just something to wrestle with individually.

Excellent thought provoking approach! There are so many perfectly good words, it does seem a shame to waste our breath on the common and less definitive sort. As ISMO the comedian points out, some of those words mean so many different things....to meaning nothing at all, they really are not good for effective communication.

I dont know if my grandmother ever wrestled with an inclination to using that kind of language. I know I never in over 40 years ever heard her use one.

Search our own hearts for what underlies the motivation to curse. My experience is that it's usually a result of some frustration combined with a failure to identify and articulate the associated emotions, behaviors and decisions.
Hmmm. This strikes me as a good suggestion. Is the phrase "stick that in yer pipe n smoke it" cussing? Or is that alluding to another way of processing or internalizing the information? :cool:
 
Are these bad words during sex or at other times?

I'm not necessarily asking about "bad words" imo most of what people view as "bad words" is opinion and not based on any objective standard from scripture. I agree with @FollowingHim on that. But anytime no matter what the situation it bothers me more coming from women than from men.

And yes I agree that it's based on my cultural sensitivities and not based on right vs. Wrong... I guess it just comes across as unladylike...
 
Something I've discovered with people who don't have English as their first language is that they use words and phrases they're picking up from movies and other media. They learn these words and then naively say things that would blister the paint on a church door. I think the movie/media industry has a lot to answer for on the day of judgment.
 
Something I've discovered with people who don't have English as their first language is that they use words and phrases they're picking up from movies and other media. They learn these words and then naively say things that would blister the paint on a church door. I think the movie/media industry has a lot to answer for on the day of judgment.
If language were the only thing they will be judged for, I would pity anyone sitting in their vicinity, on the Day of Judgment.
 
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