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Is the term Old Covenant ever mentioned in Scripture?

So, fear of incorrect observance is excuse not to try?

C'mon. Bring a real argument, man.

You missed the point. I am not saying to not observe any Law because one might get it wrong. I am saying who is the judge whether one does them incorrectly or not at all, but yet thier heart is correct before God.

Are the people who follow Torah, the judge?
 
We have a better Mediator for the covenant who perfectly kept it and will never sin or die. But, this Same Mediator also said, 'I did NOT come to abolish the Law...not one letter will pass from the Law and the prophets until ALL is fulfilled.' He the proceeds to tell us how to be LEAST in the kingdom... nullify even the least of the commandments.

Simply, Yeshua is the One who spoke face to face with Moses. James calls Him the Lawgiver. A study of the Angel of the Lord passages as well as the Memra de Yeya occurances in the Targumim.

When He said, 'if you love me, you will keep my commandments, He wasn't bringing some new code. He was pointing to His commandments given at Sinai.

How does this play out. Hebrews says that there is not just a better mediator but that he is the head of a better priesthood. Peter says that believers are a royal priesthood.
 
Would you say we are betrothed?
There is no point in talking about this Cap. You will never convince me that at the most basic level we are called to obey. I doubt anyone could convince you of anything. You don't even really know what you're arguing about. Are you telling me I shouldn't try to live ae Jesus did? Are you saying its sinful to follow Torah? Or are you just vaguely upset that someone would follow a way that you don't? Just let it go. If you can't see obedience in the Bible then we don't even have a mutual basis to discuss from.
 
So we're not married yet so we're not under the new covenant but we're not under the old either? There is no need to continue this loopey dee loop. But I hope you'll at least acknowledge that your thoughts are not fully formed on this.

Sorry my thoughts are as formed as yours. It's been a nice conversation with you, hope we can keep it that way.
 
There is no point in talking about this Cap. You will never convince me that at the most basic level we are called to obey. I doubt anyone could convince you of anything. You don't even really know what you're arguing about. Are you telling me I shouldn't try to live ae Jesus did? Are you saying its sinful to follow Torah? Or are you just vaguely upset that someone would follow a way that you don't? Just let it go. If you can't see obedience in the Bible then we don't even have a mutual basis to discuss from.

Guess not. Your so wrapped in your on belief you can't even consider other possibilities.

You can't answer the betrothal question because you would then show you don't know what you are talking about.
 
There is no point in talking about this Cap. You will never convince me that at the most basic level we are called to obey. I doubt anyone could convince you of anything. You don't even really know what you're arguing about. Are you telling me I shouldn't try to live ae Jesus did? Are you saying its sinful to follow Torah? Or are you just vaguely upset that someone would follow a way that you don't? Just let it go. If you can't see obedience in the Bible then we don't even have a mutual basis to discuss from.

Then don't respond anymore.
 
Sorry my thoughts are as formed as yours. It's been a nice conversation with you, hope we can keep it that way.
We're not married yet. You can't use marriage as a metaphor for the covenants. The marriage results from the covenants. One of us should hit ignore on the other one.
 
How does this play out. Hebrews says that there is not just a better mediator but that he is the head of a better priesthood. Peter says that believers are a royal priesthood.
All true, but the priesthood doesn't create the standard. I know how to use a measuring tape, but I didn't determine the markings on it. Even as a royal priesthood, we still have a Kung with a standard. We obey and intercede on behalf of our families. When we fail, we have Yeshua.
 
So we're not married yet so we're not under the new covenant but we're not under the old either? There is no need to continue this loopey dee loop. But I hope you'll at least acknowledge that your thoughts are not fully formed on this.
I’d say that the covenant is entered at betrothal. At the point where you drink the wine you’ve accepted the terms of the covenant and have a position in the household.

As far as the wedding day/marriagey thing goes, I’d agree that we’re not to the marriage supper, and yet as a believer we’re expected to multiply and be fruitful, something that wouldn’t be expected till after the wedding.

Like any other metaphor or analogy, there’s a certain point that it breaks down. I’m not sure what that point is but . . .
 
All true, but the priesthood doesn't create the standard. I know how to use a measuring tape, but I didn't determine the markings on it. Even as a royal priesthood, we still have a Kung with a standard. We obey and intercede on behalf of our families. When we fail, we have Yeshua.
So there is a priesthood, and it is different from the priesthood as laid out in the Torah?
 
Just a general call for a show of hands.

As a believer, are you are part of a priesthood under Christ?


Or

As a believer, are you not a part of a priesthood under Christ?

I am a part of the priesthood under Christ and I am also betrothed to be married to my Lord and Savior.

I attempt to follow the commandments I recieve everyday from Him.
 
So there is a priesthood, and it is different from the priesthood as laid out in the Torah?
Yes, but prophecy says the Levitical will continue to exist in the future with some who are not Levites chosen to serve. So, somehow, the pieces must coexist or relate until the New Heaven and New Earth. Don't ask how.... rejection of Torah is unacceptable as Messiah Himself was subject to, and I would argue, giver of.

And, I do believe I am part of the priesthood of Messiah, but I believe His standard is the everlasting unchanging Torah...
 
Problem solved. I have hit the ignore button on him and will never see another one of his posts. If he were to do the same I think we'd both be a lot happier.

@ZecAustin, I am trying to be friends with you. You make it difficult sometimes. I know we don't see things the same and probably never will, but if you make a comment and I respond, or I make a comment and you respond, there is no need to start going into derogatory statements. Once done, we both fail.
 
Read Judges. Doing what is right in our own eyes is ill advised.

God's Law is simple. Man complicates it. Just read and do...

Consider another way: You give your young son a rule. 'Make your bed.'

If he ignores the rule, what do you do? Correction? Let it go?

If he makes it to the best of his ability, but not to your standard, what do you do? Punish? No! Encourage? Yes. Even help? Probably, depending on his heart atitude.

If he knows and is fully capable of the standard but gets really sloppy or slovenly? Now what?

Would someone please tell me who is to judge how another man is to follow, obey, listen to the law they see from God? Who interprets the Law?

There are no judges here today, the priesthood has failed, the church has failed. Who?
 
Someone will have to explain to me how an agreement between two parties, who are not me nor related to me, and who are both now dead, applies to me at all.
 
Would someone please tell me who is to judge how another man is to follow, obey, listen to the law they see from God? Who interprets the Law?

There are no judges here today, the priesthood has failed, the church has failed. Who?

 
Someone will have to explain to me how an agreement between two parties, who are not me nor related to me, and who are both now dead, applies to me at all.

Are you sure it’s not you nor related to you?
Galatians 3:29 NASB
[29] And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's descendants, heirs according to promise.
 
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