God Himself Becomes the Enemy of His Own People

[OttoM]

Isiah 63:9-10
So He became their Savior. In all their distress, He too was afflicted, and the Angel of His Presence saved them. In His love and compassion He redeemed them; He lifted them up and carried them all the days of old. 10 But they rebelled and grieved His Holy Spirit. So He turned and became their enemy, and He Himself fought against them.

Ephesians 4:30
And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God.

One day - if there isn’t serious repentance - but instead continued rebellion - it’s the raised fist of their Savior they claimed to worship and follow that will be their #1 enemy.

If a husband has a wife - and he tells her I don’t want you wearing short skirts or tight yoga pants. But another man - not her husband - tells her that she looks good in them. If she obeys the man that’s not her husband - is she not provoking her own husband (master) to anger?

That is the state of the religion of Christianity. It’s built around provoking the Creator and the Master.

 

[MemeFan]

If a husband has a wife - and he tells her I don’t want you wearing short skirts or tight yoga pants. But another man - not her husband - tells her that she looks good in them. If she obeys the man that’s not her husband - is she not provoking her own husband (master) to anger?

Except wife has agency and can for herself decide not to obey.

This altitude is getting crazy. There is too much focus on obedience (including men's towards Lord) and almost none on why and what should I get.

Men should be protectors..bla...bla...bla..BS. You are asking for men to sacrifice their time and resources for someone else. Why should they do this? Altruism is wealth consumer and not wealth generation. Without wealth generation all production stops (food included) without predicable consequences.

It's interesting here that her obedience can make whole situation worse. Women need to feel feminine, beautiful and desired. Clothing is way to express that. And why is he doing that? Lacking in confidence and feeling need to mate guard. No good.

Anyway, enough with example. There is need to use system/holistic thinking. Don't need think "It's command". Why command, what is purpose? What are all elements, motivations and how they influence each other?

Anyway, porn is greatest savior of marriage in West. If you can't figure why, you need to upgrade your thinking skills.

 

[OttoM]

Except wife has agency and can for herself decide not to obey.

A man has agency too. He can choose to obey his Master or another Jesus whom the apostles did not preach.

Christianity was built upon Constantine when he made it legal in 313.

After he made chrisitianity legal - he changed sabbath from Saturday to Sunday. Changed passover to Easter. Created Christmas. Created the cross symbol (Tammuz symbol).





Constantine’s successors kept adding pagan traditions into his church he built. Like paying money to get out of hell. The Queen of heaven worship. Graven image worship. Praying to dead saints. Martin Luther simply rewinded the clock to Constantine’s days. He didn’t go back to the teachings of Yeshua and his apostles. That’s one reason why most Protestants still want nothing to do with polygyny. Constantine also found the Jewish customs detestable.

This whole system is wicked to the core, because it’s designed to provoke the Creator. When YHVH’s raises his right arm for judgment - they will see they made a mistake not fearing the Most High.

 

[The Revolting Man]

A man has agency too. He can choose to obey his Master or another Jesus whom the apostles did not preach.

Christianity was built upon Constantine when he made it legal in 313.

After he made chrisitianity legal - he changed sabbath from Saturday to Sunday. Changed passover to Easter. Created Christmas. Created the cross symbol (Tammuz symbol).

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Constantine’s successors kept adding pagan traditions into his church he built. Like paying money to get out of hell. The Queen of heaven worship. Graven image worship. Praying to dead saints. Martin Luther simply rewinded the clock to Constantine’s days. He didn’t go back to the teachings of Yeshua and his apostles. That’s one reason why most Protestants still want nothing to do with polygyny. Constantine also found the Jewish customs detestable.

This whole system is wicked to the core, because it’s designed to provoke the Creator. When YHVH’s raises his right arm for judgment - they will see they made a mistake not fearing the Most High.

I thought about just deleting this post but I’m going to engage you instead. Your surface level Knowles is leading you to lead other people astray. We’ll start with Mithras, I’ll look this up to be sure but I’m fairly confident hat Mithras is a very late discovery that was only preserved in oral traditions. He allegedly also had 12 disciples and several other features closely related to Christ. It’s more likely that Mithras was based on Christ, not the other way around.

It is very dangerous basing your theology off the snarky ambush memes of atheists, which is what the Mithras thing has always been.

 

[Mark C]

It is very dangerous basing your theology off the snarky ambush memes of atheists...

So just stick with what's Written.

There's PLENTY of reason for Him to have put BOTH the Whore Church (Aholah) and Whore Synagogue (Aholobah) away, and then to say, "I never knew you."

 

[FollowingHim]

@Earth_is-, to expand on what @The Revolting Man said - you are conflating accepted history with speculation and presenting all as fact. Sol Invictus (the Unconquered Sun)was the sun god in the late Roman empire. He represents the philosophical transition of Rome from polytheism to monotheism. He was depicted on Roman coins for many years prior to Constantine, and Constantine gradually removed him from coinage, but change occurred slowly - he continued to appear on coins for the first few years of his reign prior to being removed. There are coins from at least one other Roman emperor with the identical reverse side to the one you pictured, which means it appears that coinmakers had been using that "Sol Invictus" inscription for some time, changed the portrait to Constantine but kept using the same other side of the stamp until he specifically told them to stop. That's generally accepted history. Coinmaking was a very decentralised business at the time, with many mints operating in different locations throughout the empire, so just because a coin appears with a particular inscription it does not mean it was specifically designed by the emperor named on the coin, more likely the coinmaker heard "the emperor has changed, quick, better change the face on the coin" and did it themselves, keeping the rest of the design the same.

The whole "Mithras" thing on the other hand is one highly speculative theory as to the origin of Sol Invictus - he is never given the name "Lord Mithras" in any written Roman records.

You are simultaneously reading far too much into a coin, and then blindly believing the historical speculation of atheists.

Anyway, I thought you were the one who was skeptical and distrusted all history, as you've said repeatedly, yet here you're repeating this sort of thing as if it was fact. I'm rather lost as to what you believe now. How do you determine whether history is true or false? I'm getting the feeling you just believe whatever you feel makes for the story you want to believe, regardless of evidence, and I can't understand how you decide which story you want to believe.

 

[Yan]

Except wife has agency and can for herself decide not to obey.

This altitude is getting crazy. There is too much focus on obedience (including men's towards Lord) and almost none on why and what should I get.

Men should be protectors..bla...bla...bla..BS. You are asking for men to sacrifice their time and resources for someone else. Why should they do this? Altruism is wealth consumer and not wealth generation. Without wealth generation all production stops (food included) without predicable consequences.

It's interesting here that her obedience can make whole situation worse. Women need to feel feminine, beautiful and desired. Clothing is way to express that. And why is he doing that? Lacking in confidence and feeling need to mate guard. No good.

Anyway, enough with example. There is need to use system/holistic thinking. Don't need think "It's command". Why command, what is purpose? What are all elements, motivations and how they influence each other?

Anyway, porn is greatest savior of marriage in West. If you can't figure why, you need to upgrade your thinking skills.

Because this induces adultery. A wife should want her husband's attention, not someone else's.

When a man and a woman get married they become one, there's no such thing as doing whatever you want.

 

[Mark C]

@Earth_is-, to expand on what @The Revolting Man said - you are conflating accepted history with speculation and presenting all as fact. ...

And yet 'the church' DID, without question, change the Sabbath of YHVH from the seventh day to 'sun god' day, starting at - coincidentally - right around the time of the Council of Nicea, first in 325 AD, and thereafter moved toward elimination of ALL of His Appointed Times, and replacements with pagan variants, under the guise of making "judaizing," into 'anathema,' which even appears in some renderings of English Bibles today.

And later they, without question, killed people for it. (You may remember the term...) And prominent Catholic cardinals (like James Cardinal Gibbons, and I have his famous doctrinal exposition) proudly acknowledged that the change was by THEIR authority - recognized even by Protesting Catholics - rather than Scripture.

The 'history' may be pretty consistent, but the 'why' seems to vary.

 

[OttoM]

Matthew 7:15-16
Beware of false prophets who come disguised as harmless sheep but are really vicious wolves. 16 You can identify them by their fruit, that is, by the way they act.

1 Corinthians 5:8
Let us celebrate our Passover, then, not with bread having the old yeast of sin and wickedness, but with the bread that has no yeast, the bread of purity and truth.


Constantine:
“Let us then have nothing in common with the detestable Jewish crowd; for we have received from our Saviour a different way."

His successors persecuted those that wished to keep the Passover. Since Lord Jesus kept Passover - would they had persecuted their Savior as well?

 

[FollowingHim]

And yet 'the church' DID, without question, change the Sabbath of YHVH from the seventh day to 'sun god' day, starting at - coincidentally - right around the time of the Council of Nicea, first in 325 AD, and thereafter moved toward elimination of ALL of His Appointed Times, and replacements with pagan variants, under the guise of making "judaizing," into 'anathema,' which even appears in some renderings of English Bibles today.

I'm not disagreeing with you there @Mark C. @Earth_is- is just getting too speculative in his reasoning as to why.

 

[OttoM]

I'm not disagreeing with you there @Mark C. @Earth_is- is just getting too speculative in his reasoning as to why.

The “why” is not important. The fruit of Constantine is what’s important. I listed his fruit first. What did he bring into christianity after he made it legal? If the fruit is rotten - which I believe it was with Constantine - then there is nothing wrong (imo) with speculation that considers where his ideas of Christmas, Easter, and sun-god day sabbath originated from.

100% these ideas did not originate from Lord Jesus or the apostles. Or anywhere in scripture. There’s also no prophecy such things would occur.

 

[MemeFan]

Because this induces adultery. A wife should want her husband's attention, not someone else's.

When a man and a woman get married they become one, there's no such thing as doing whatever you want.

You are speaking about what should be. I'm speaking what is. Not the same.

I'm mentioned several days ago that porn is biggest reason marriage in West last. Porn does provide outlet for polygyny and some sexual safisfaction in dead bedroom marriage.

It shouldn't be so. But porn ban won't fix issue. Mass of men trained to worship their women by church won't be suddenly become chads, but even more spiritually dead inside.

Sometimes, order of improvement matters. Disregards of this means that bans can do more damage than help.

 

[OttoM]

You are speaking about what should be. I'm speaking what is. Not the same.

I'm mentioned severwl days ago that porn is biggest reason marriage in West last. Porn does provide outlet for polygyny and some sexual safisfaction in dead bedroom marriage.

It shouldn't be so. But porn ban won't fix issue. Mass of men trained to worship their women by church won't be suddenly become chads, but even more spiritually dead inside.

Sometimes, order of improvement matters. Disregards of this means that bans can do more damage than help.

It helps if the man is a high value man. The man needs to also build his rock on Yeshua - the Master. Therefore, there is no room for “happy wife - happy life.” Which means no more behaving like the rest of the world. But being set apart. A man simply needs to be straight up with a future prospect of his marriage covenant with her. If she agrees - you have yourself a wife that - Yeshua willing - will help build up the man’s household, and bring him good. If the woman see’s he’s got it together - she’s more inclined to submit and follow his lead. But that’s not something the world or the 501 c3 church teaches. Hence - how can there be marriage blessings when the world is going against the instructions from the Creator? This world purposely likes to teach in opposition of the Torah (instructions) from the Creator. Then they scratch their heads - why is this happening? “It’s them democrats and antifa.” Do such things occur without approval from YHVH? Why is he allowing the destructor to gain ground? Perhaps it’s because of our rebellion against His Word and His Ways? If men fear more what other men would think of them -versus the Creator - then is it not also written that YHVH brings their fears upon them for choosing to fear men versus their Creator?

Isaiah 54:16
“I have created the blacksmith who fans the coals beneath the forge and makes the weapons of destruction. And I have created the armies that destroy.”

Isaiah 66:14
I will send them great trouble— all the things they feared. For when I called, they did not answer. When I spoke, they did not listen. They deliberately sinned before my very eyes and chose to do what they know I despise.”

 

[MemeFan]

It helps if the man is a high value man. The man needs to also build his rock on Yeshua - the Master. Therefore, there is no room for “happy wife - happy life.” Which means no more behaving like the rest of the world. But being set apart. A man simply needs to be straight up with a future prospect of his marriage covenant with her. If she agrees - you have yourself a wife that - Yeshua willing - will help build up the man’s household, and bring him good. If the woman see’s he’s got it together - she’s more inclined to submit and follow his lead. But that’s not something the world or the 501 c3 church teaches. Hence - how can there be marriage blessings when the world is going against the instructions from the Creator? This world purposely likes to teach in opposition of the Torah (instructions) from the Creator. Then they scratch their heads - why is this happening? “It’s them democrats and antifa.” Do such things occur without approval from YHVH? Why is he allowing the destructor to gain ground? Perhaps it’s because of our rebellion against His Word and His Ways? If men fear more what other men would think of them -versus the Creator - then is it not also written that YHVH brings their fears upon them for choosing to fear men versus their Creator?

Isaiah 54:16
“I have created the blacksmith who fans the coals beneath the forge and makes the weapons of destruction. And I have created the armies that destroy.”

Isaiah 66:14
I will send them great trouble— all the things they feared. For when I called, they did not answer. When I spoke, they did not listen. They deliberately sinned before my very eyes and chose to do what they know I despise.”

You are speaking about what should be.

 

[Yan]

You are speaking about what should be. I'm speaking what is. Not the same.

I'm mentioned several days ago that porn is biggest reason marriage in West last. Porn does provide outlet for polygyny and some sexual safisfaction in dead bedroom marriage.

It shouldn't be so. But porn ban won't fix issue. Mass of men trained to worship their women by church won't be suddenly become chads, but even more spiritually dead inside.

Sometimes, order of improvement matters. Disregards of this means that bans can do more damage than help.

but I wasn't even thinking about pornography...

 

[Mark C]

The “why” is not important. The fruit of Constantine is what’s important. I listed his fruit first. What did he bring into christianity after he made it legal? If the fruit is rotten - which I believe it was with Constantine - then there is nothing wrong (imo) with speculation that considers where his ideas of Christmas, Easter, and sun-god day sabbath originated from.

Agreed, at least in part, particularly when it comes to what is noted as 'speculation', even based on historic parallels.

(BTW, read Johnathan Cahn's excellent recent work on Baal, Molech, and Ishtar, where he makes the connections, with one obvious exception, and outlines the history: The Return of the Gods.)

But when it comes to pagan 'holy-days', we have specific prohibitions in Scripture as well.

 

[MemeFan]

but I wasn't even thinking about pornography...

Point is that you describing domain of morality (oughts), while I'm describing domain of reality (is).

When some activity isn't moral, it's ban doesn't mean situation will become better. I used porn as example. Same in my previous post about woman's obedience in clothing.

 

[The Revolting Man]

The “why” is not important. The fruit of Constantine is what’s important. I listed his fruit first. What did he bring into christianity after he made it legal? If the fruit is rotten - which I believe it was with Constantine - then there is nothing wrong (imo) with speculation that considers where his ideas of Christmas, Easter, and sun-god day sabbath originated from.

100% these ideas did not originate from Lord Jesus or the apostles. Or anywhere in scripture. There’s also no prophecy such things would occur.

There’s also no indication any of those things came from Constantine. For being a pagan who converted late and greatly relieved the suffering of Christ followers, he sure does get a lot of hate.

 

[OttoM]

But when it comes to pagan 'holy-days', we have specific prohibitions in Scripture as well.

Deuteronomy 12:31
31 You must not worship YHVH your God the way the other nations worship their gods, for they perform for their gods every detestable act that YHVH hates.

Wouldn’t Easter and Christmas fit in that category? “We’ve inherited lies of our fathers” - the prophet Jeremiah. King Solomon wrote - what happened before will happen again.

Constantine’s successors:

Later Church councils would prohibit Christians from celebrating Passover with Jews and from receiving holiday gifts from them. Overall under Constantine’s successors, including Constantius II (337-361), Theodosius II (408-450), and Justinian I (527-565), Jews would steadily become second-class citizens of the Empire.

Constantine is well praised by the world:

But we know the world belongs to the evil one:

1 John 5:9
The world around us is under the control of the evil one.

As Constantine says - the Jewish customs are detestable. However, the customs of the Jews didn’t come from the Jews - they came from the Creator whom they claim is their Master. Not much has changed today - so much of Christianity still believe his laws are outdated, un-holy, and/or even sinful. Polygyny is the prime example. The outright ban on polygyny (council of Trent) was built upon the foundation that Constantine started. Let that sink in next time you want to do Sunday sabbath, Easter, or Christmas.

 

[OttoM]

There’s also no indication any of those things came from Constantine. For being a pagan who converted late and greatly relieved the suffering of Christ followers, he sure does get a lot of hate.

Seek these things out yourself. Once you confirm them to be true - would you not agree that so much of Christianity today is built upon Constantine? What if his conversion was fake? A massive deception to infiltrate the church from within? Examine the fruit that came forth - the Roman Catholic Church - and each generation they just moved further and further away from the Scriptures. Until Martin Luther came and gave them some competition through the Protestant church. But he simply went back to the foundation of Constantine - did he not? Protestants claim to be “Sola Scripture” but they join hands with the Roman Catholic Church and Constantine on Sunday sabbath. On Easter. On Christmas. What if the adversary controls both sides? The moment you step outside of the foundation that Constantine built - they are going to ask you to leave their 501 c(3) church. Will they not? Test it yourself. What 501 c(3) church is going to allow you to bring your extra wives - Saturday sabbath - Passover - into their congregation? Better chance you get the cops called on you for trespassing.