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G-d does not approve of Gloablization: convince me otherwise

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Globalization is a testament to man's greatness and will in defiance to G-ds will. Biblical example.

Genesis 11:1-9

1 Now the entire earth had the same language with the same vocabulary.

2 When they traveled eastward, they found a valley-plain in the land of Shinar and settled there.

3 They said to one another, “Come! Let’s make bricks and bake them until they’re hard.” So they used bricks for stone, and tar for mortar.

4(a) Then they said, “Come! Let’s build ourselves a city, with a tower whose top reaches into heaven. (b) So let’s make a name for ourselves, or else we will be scattered over the face of the whole land.”

5 Then Adonai came down to see the city and the tower that the sons of man had built.

6 Adonai said, “Look, the people are one and all of them have the same language. So this is what they have begun to do. Now, nothing they plan to do will be impossible.

7 Come! Let Us go down and confuse their language there, so that they will not understand each other’s language.”

8 So Adonai scattered them from there over the face of the entire land, and they stopped building the city.

9 This is why it is named Babel, because Adonai confused the languages of the entire world there, and from there Adonai scattered them over the face of the entire world.

Genesis 11:1 Everyone understood the same language.

Genesis 11:2 The people all moved to one place in the world

Genesis 11:3-4a They made a plan to build a city and tower

Genesis 11:4b The reason for building the tower

Genesis 11:5-7 Adonai's response to building the city and town

Genesis 11:8 The people are scattered through out the earth

Genesis 11:9 Everyone speaks a different language.

(Btw This is a literary technique for understanding Torah called Chiastic structure. It divides the story into two halves. The theme of the first half is repeated in the second half in reverse.)
 
God DOES approve of globalization... but, only under the hand of the Mashiach. Until then, we build a tower of Babel... a monument to self.

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This is key in understanding the devil's MO. He's always opposing God. Undoing what God wrought. Ruining what God created. Substituting human institutions for God's.

So it should come as no surprise he works to eliminate the nations, merge them under global government, and work to create in government the imitation of God.

This is not just Biblical Truth. It is also biological truth; a reflection of God's creational intent. Biological systems are diverse, and dispersed. Centralization and sameness is unnatural and weak.
 
Ancient Paths said:
God DOES approve of globalization... but, only under the hand of the Mashiach. Until then, we build a tower of Babel... a monument to self.

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Love the sentiment and idea but, even when the kingdom is here there will be those outside the gates with their own tribes.

Revelation 22:14-16

14 How fortunate are those who wash their robes, so that they may have the right to the Tree of Life and may enter through the gates into the city.

15 Outside are the dogs and the sorcerers and the sexually immoral and the murderers and the idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.

16 I, Yeshua, have sent My angel to testify these things to you for My communities. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, the Bright and Morning Star.”
 
Kevin said:
Love the sentiment and idea but, even when the kingdom is here there will be those outside the gates with their own tribes.

Revelation 22:14-16

14 How fortunate are those who wash their robes, so that they may have the right to the Tree of Life and may enter through the gates into the city.

15 Outside are the dogs and the sorcerers and the sexually immoral and the murderers and the idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.

16 I, Yeshua, have sent My angel to testify these things to you for My communities. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, the Bright and Morning Star.”
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Will they be able to do whatever they want? Or, will they have to operate within the King's boundaries and parameters?
 
Kevin said:
Love the sentiment and idea but, even when the kingdom is here there will be those outside the gates with their own tribes.
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That will be the initial part of the millennium, but with the evil one and his minions bound and Yeshua ruling with a rod of iron, the opposition gets stomped. Remember, it is a time in which the lion lays down with the lamb.
At the end of the millennium the evil ones are released and get to attempt reestablishing their kingdom. In an atmosphere in which people’s minds are right.

I am not big on trying to understand all of the specifics of the book of Revelations, but that’s the overview that I believe.
 
Ancient Paths said:
Will they be able to do whatever they want? Or, will they have to operate within the King's boundaries and parameters?
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They are outside the kingdom so I thought it obvious there not doing what Yeshua wants. Revalation 17 shows that the offer of salvation is still there for those who choose it and thus be under Yeshuas authority instead of rejecting it.
 
steve said:
That will be the initial part of the millennium, but with the evil one and his minions bound and Yeshua ruling with a rod of iron, the opposition gets stomped. Remember, it is a time in which the lion lays down with the lamb.
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The final battle was in Revalation 19. The rise of Gog and Magog after the Judgement of a thousand years is in Revalation 20. A New Heaven and Earth Revalations 21 and it begins to Describe New Jerusalem which is carried over into Revalation 22, Ending with the confirmation that Yeshua is coming.
 
Yes and No, That's only part of the definition I'm referring to.

WIKI-

Although in its simplistic sense globalization refers to the widening, deepening and speeding up of global interconnection, such a definition begs further elaboration. ... Globalization can be on a continuum with the local, national and regional. At one end of the continuum lie social and economic relations and networks which are organized on a local and/or national basis; at the other end lie social and economic relations and networks which crystallize on the wider scale of regional and global interactions. Globalization can refer to those spatial-temporal processes of change which underpin a transformation in the organization of human affairs by linking together and expanding human activity across regions and continents. Without reference to such expansive spatial connections, there can be no clear or coherent formulation of this term. ... A satisfactory definition of globalization must capture each of these elements: extensity (stretching), intensity, velocity and impact.[21]

Held and his co-writers' definition of globalization in that same book as "transformation in the spatial organization of social relations and transactions—assessed in terms of their extensity, intensity, velocity and impact—generating transcontinental or inter-regional flows" was called "probably the most widely-cited definition" in the 2014 DHL Global Connectiveness Index.[22]

Swedish journalist Thomas Larsson, in his book The Race to the Top: The Real Story of Globalization, states that globalization:

is the process of world shrinkage, of distances getting shorter, things moving closer. It pertains to the increasing ease with which somebody on one side of the world can interact, to mutual benefit, with somebody on the other side of the world.[23]

Paul James defines globalization with a more direct and historically contextualized emphasis:

Globalization is the extension of social relations across world-space, defining that world-space in terms of the historically variable ways that it has been practiced and socially understood through changing world-time.[24]


It seems the more the people of this world connect and pull towards eachother, The more they pull away from G-d. They do good works in the name of humanitarianism thus glorifying man, they strive to make their name their game known above the Lords, they wish to impose a their laws and ways upon the world and casing G-d aside.
 
JustAGuy said:
@Kevin Are we defining globalization as, "the development of an increasingly integrated global economy marked especially by free trade, free flow of capital, and the tapping of cheaper foreign labor markets?"
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Those things necessitate the destruction of local economies and the displacement and free flow of peoples; which leads to further social ills and the destruction of cultures. One of the many ironies of globalism is that is claims to be multicultural while actually destroying real community and the cultures involved; assimilating them into an empty, generic, consumerist culture.

And thats just the people movements created as a consequence of economic upheaval. Then there are the intentional mass migrations designed to destroy nations God created at Babel.
 
rockfox said:
Those things necessitate the destruction of local economies and the displacement and free flow of peoples; which leads to further social ills and the destruction of cultures. One of the many ironies of globalism is that is claims to be multicultural while actually destroying real community and the cultures involved; assimilating them into an empty, generic, consumerist culture.

And thats just the people movements created as a consequence of economic upheaval. Then there are the intentional mass migrations designed to destroy nations God created at Babel.
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Amen. Globalism is just the next iteration in the path of those intent on swallowing up power so that everyone will have to submit to centralized human power. Think Big Government on a planetary scale.

Count me in on the side of tribalism. Watch out, though: centralized governmental authorities will never rest in their efforts to demonize those who shift power back to families. Expect to be labeled as savages, barbarians and tribal war lords (just notice how successfully the Afghanis are portrayed in our 'advanced' societies as being backwards and violent, but the people living within the territories of Afghanistan and surrounding countries never venture forth into the rest of the world to seek military conquest; instead, they have been invaded over and over again by 1st and 2nd world countries seeking to dominate Afghanistan -- and fighting back against this onslaught earns them the label of being backward).
 
I think of globalization as the result of forces God has set in motion for His own purposes, and our responses — both bad and good — to those forces.

But while I may think of it in less negative terms than Keith does, I had to hit Like on his remarks about tribal cultures and how they're viewed by the big governments.
 
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rockfox said:
Those things necessitate the destruction of local economies and the displacement and free flow of peoples; which leads to further social ills and the destruction of cultures.
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Generally in agreement with the line of thought in this thread, just a comment on the bolded bit.

Historically, there was always free movement of people. Abraham wandered wherever he wanted. My ancestors fled from France to England to escape religious persecution centuries ago. Many of your ancestors fled Europe to the USA again to escape persecution or simply to have food to eat. People can flow freely in a historical, tribal system.

They just CHOOSE not to usually, for practical and emotional reasons. Usually it makes most sense to stay in one area. But there was always the opportunity to move. And refugees always existed, and always tried to move somewhere better - as the Israelites did, and as your and my ancestors did during the colonisation of our countries. As Elkanah and Naomi did when there was a famine in Israel.

The idea that people will NOT flow freely comes from globalization. The movement of people today is restricted through a globally coordinated oppressive regime, in the form of passport controls, facilitated by all states. This is a very recent phenomenon that has only existed in the last century. In my opinion, it has helped to move people's identity away from the "tribe" and to the "nation", to get them to see themselves as citizens of an artificial nation, a creation of man.

Then, having got the population accustomed to the really weird and unnatural idea that you should need a bit of paper to walk across an artificial line in the ground, nations now try to free up movement - by continuing to control it. The EU allows free flow of people within its borders - but retains the ability to control that whenever they please. Refugees are tightly controlled - so that the "chosen" groups are allowed to "move freely", while others find that they cannot. Somehow Middle Eastern Muslims can get into the EU and the USA in droves, while Christians end up being not approved for strange reasons, and Africans fleeing through Libya to the EU find themselves stuck as sex slaves in filthy brothels or drowning in the Mediterranean. Actually, it goes even deeper than that - it is often the USA and the EU that started the wars that turned these people into refugees in the first place. The conspiracy runs deep.

In a tribal system, people move freely. Under globalisation, movement is restricted - unless allowed by government to achieve other agendas.

In a tribal system, the greatest defence against oppression is the fact that people can move freely - if the chief or king is too oppressive, they'll find their best citizens have moved away, their outlying regions have defected en-masse to the neighbouring slightly-less-evil king, and they have to either please the people better or lose their kingdom by one means or another.

So the "free flow of peoples" promoted by globalisation is smoke and mirrors, designed to keep you even more oppressed.
 
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Also, this is a major problem with democracy.

If a king says "you can't build a house without my permission, you can't have a business without a permit, you have to pay 30%+ taxes, you can't grow your own medicines but have to purchase them from overpriced corporates, and I'm going to monitor every single conversation you have and send the police if you sound like you're talking about blowing up something" - the people would rebel long before that ever got that bad. Nobody would let a king have such control over their lives.

But if a democratically elected government says the same thing, people say "it's ok, they mean it for good, and if it gets too bad we can always vote them out...". Except they can't vote them out, because the system is set up on many levels to drive gradually further and further towards greater control. The excuse of "democracy" is a whitewash placed on top of oppression, to get people to accept the oppression and submit to their rulers, while genuinely thinking they are not oppressed.

And therefore democracy facilitates globalization also.
 
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