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General Discussing the Concept of Polygyny in the Bible with My Son

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I began discussing the concept of polygyny in the Bible with my son. He is a young man who frequently attends the church youth fellowship, and naturally, his church does not support polygyny. When I talked with him, he asked a question: Why do so many people in the church, and so many who study the Bible deeply, seem unaware of such an obvious truth about polygyny? I told him it is a sad reality, but I also don’t understand why people can be so blind.

What do you think?
 
It's culture. It's not that they don't see.

It's excuses like Lord didn't really mean it or monogamy is His real intent.

And don't forget what others will think of me. If most think that others will consider polygyny supporters are bad what will happened? Run away such people.
 
MichaelZ said:
Why do so many people in the church, and so many who study the Bible deeply, seem unaware of such an obvious truth about polygyny?
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I don't know that it's being unaware, but rather they're schooled to be unquestioning. Every person who reads the Bible knows polygyny is in there. However, there is a distinct influence among religious leaders to not rock the boat, and especially the boat that keeps so many women happy. Happy women, prosperous preachers.
 
MichaelZ said:
Why do so many people in the church, and so many who study the Bible deeply, seem unaware of such an obvious truth about polygyny?
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I think it is explained best in Proverbs 18:17 NKJV. "The first one to plead his cause seems right, Until his neighbor comes and examines him."

Since the council at Trent when the church at Rome made a man having more than one wife religiously/politically incorrect, there have been lame and shallow explanations for how and/or why YHWH allegedly either changed the law, or revealed to an imagined to be more enlightened population this higher and better way....His alleged "Original intent" for marriage called monogamy! (Because the people werent ready for it back then so YHWH "tolerated the sin of polygamy" ..appealing to man's vanity I think)

This really doesnt often change because, as @frederick said, people don't want to rock the boat. Most people who go to church have never heard this doctrine we call "monogamy only" challenged. They have never heard a counter argument because most people crave acceptance and don't want others to judge their motives for asking those kind of questions.

My husband used to wonder what others might think or assume about him believing polygyny was a moral why to live, and really didn't want everyone to know. Now he has another wife and that relationship and her becoming his was very natural and there was nothing strange about it. The result? He really no longer cares what others may think or assume about him. Our children have all accepted her, her son, and their new little sister too.
That's my two cents worth.
 
2 Timothy 4:2-4 NLT
2 Preach the word of God. Be prepared, whether the time is favorable or not. Patiently correct, rebuke, and encourage your people with good teaching. 3 For a time is coming when people will no longer listen to sound and wholesome teaching. They will follow their own desires and will look for teachers who will tell them whatever their itching ears want to hear. 4 They will reject the truth and chase after myths.

What is truth?

Psalm 119:160 NKJV
The entirety of Your word is truth, And every one of Your righteous judgments endures forever.

Matthew 4:4 NKJV
But He answered and said, “It is written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.’ ”

John 17:17 NKJV
17 Sanctify them by Your truth. Your word is truth.

So Paul says that a time is coming when people will reject what's actually written in the torah, writings, and prophets (the truth); and look for teachers that are telling them what they want to hear. We see that today in full force.

The word "truth" is another word for the Holy Scriptures. So these people claim to love Jesus Christ, but reject (and in some cases insult) parts of his character; since he is the Word made Flesh (John 1:14). Teaching deception and rejecting the truth leads to lawlessness, which leads to judgement if un-repented.
 
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It is interesting how there is actual animosity towards polygyny yet none towards divorce, which Yah has expressed hatred of.
The root of this is that the enemy of our souls both hates and fears it. Where two or three are gathered together is a microcosm of the real church. He is trying to destroy the family, how much more the increased family?

I, like most people, grew up accepting that it was an OT thing and had somehow become adultery in the NT. I never questioned it until someone pointed out that it would be happening again in the end times. (Isaiah 4:1) That blew it open for me because Yah is not a flip-flopper. That was just too many changes.
 
Thank you all for answering my question. I like your answers!

I like @steve 's comment about comparison between polygyny and divorce. As I often tell my friends, the argument is never about how many wives you can take, it's about whether you should divorce or abandon the former wives in order to take a new wife.

The Bible says: You SHOULD NOT divorce a wife and take another. (Exo 21:10, Mat 19:9)
The world says: You MUST divorce a wife and then you are free to take another.

The Bible is always against divorce (Mal 2, Mark 10, Mat 19, etc), but people tend to ignore the true meaning and turn it into the idea against polygyny. Because it matches their culture. as @MemeFan says, it's culture.

Talking against polygyny is safer than talking against divorce. It shows that people don't want to shake the boat (@frederick) so that they intentionally/unintentionally twist the bible scriptures.
 
MichaelZ said:
I began discussing the concept of polygyny in the Bible with my son. He is a young man who frequently attends the church youth fellowship, and naturally, his church does not support polygyny. When I talked with him, he asked a question: Why do so many people in the church, and so many who study the Bible deeply, seem unaware of such an obvious truth about polygyny? I told him it is a sad reality, but I also don’t understand why people can be so blind.

What do you think?
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The ancient Greeks and Roman's had population limiting laws in effect. Rome took authority over anything that had to do with Yeshua/Jesus.

Having multiple wives is hands down the best way to fulfill the commandment to multiply and fill the earth. The enemy wants an empty desolate waste land and it sounds like he is going to get it for the most part.

Isa 14:
16 “Those who see you stare at you, and ponder over you, saying, ‘Is this the man who made the earth tremble, who shook reigns,

17 who made the world as a wilderness and destroyed its cities, who would not open the house of his prisoners?’

I believe that is what the gay and Trans agenda are about. As well as certain medical interventions that possibly damage the heart and reproductive systems. All of these things slow down or stop reproduction. Economic hardship is also a means of forcing people to not have kids. Media has been proclaiming population control for as long as I can remember. The Georgia Guides-stones said that the population shall not exceed 500 million. To achieve that goal most of the people have to stop breeding and a lot of people have to die.

So polygyny is bad for the plan.
 
I think the root problem that prevents iklesia to conclude that polygyny is acceptable by God is misinterpreting the verse about looking at the woman to lust after her. The promoted pietism reaches to such level that even if a man motivated to marry a woman by sexual appeal, he is labeled as one commiting adultery. As if those desires should be non-existent until he went through man made ceremony.

Any man should be told that desiring available woman is a blessing designed by God.
 
Transformator Reformator said:
I think the root problem that prevents iklesia to conclude that polygyny is acceptable by God is misinterpreting the verse about looking at the woman to lust after her.
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If that were true, most of us would have been disqualified from marrying the first time.
 
Transformator Reformator said:
I think the root problem that prevents iklesia to conclude that polygyny is acceptable by God is misinterpreting the verse about looking at the woman to lust after her. The promoted pietism reaches to such level that even if a man motivated to marry a woman by sexual appeal, he is labeled as one commiting adultery. As if those desires should be non-existent until he went through man made ceremony.

Any man should be told that desiring available woman is a blessing designed by God.
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I believe that verse is a commentary on the 10th commandment about coveting. The heart was synonymous with the mind. So if a man does not think about committing adultery he won't accually commit adultery or he will be much less likely to. It would be akin to taking every thought captive. Conversely if a man looks a another man's wife and dwells on sleeping with her then he would be much more tempted to try to get her to accually commit adultery.

If you don't desire to have sex then there is no motivation to get married other than social or family pressure. Otherwise why not just go hang out with some friends that have common interests?
 
Transformator Reformator said:
I think the root problem that prevents iklesia to conclude that polygyny is acceptable by God is misinterpreting the verse about looking at the woman to lust after her. The promoted pietism reaches to such level that even if a man motivated to marry a woman by sexual appeal, he is labeled as one commiting adultery. As if those desires should be non-existent until he went through man made ceremony.

Any man should be told that desiring available woman is a blessing designed by God.
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Leaven - leaven - leaven - everywhere.

Go to any church building - it’s what they will teach (99.99% chance).
 
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The grim reality is that your typical Christian shares similarities with the woke crowd.

If I read what the divine instruction actually says - the word of the Creator - the woke crowd will agree with a lot of it. The other parts - they will vehemently hate.

Same with your typical Christian - they will agree with large portions of the Word - but other parts - they will do violence to it. And according to the gospel of John - which he repeats again in the book of revelation - who is the word made flesh?
 
Transformator Reformator said:
I think the root problem that prevents iklesia to conclude that polygyny is acceptable by God is misinterpreting the verse about looking at the woman to lust after her. The promoted pietism reaches to such level that even if a man motivated to marry a woman by sexual appeal, he is labeled as one commiting adultery. As if those desires should be non-existent until he went through man made ceremony.

Any man should be told that desiring available woman is a blessing designed by God.
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Another problem is the spirit of ashtoreth in the western world. It keeps teachers - that may even know the truth - quiet. Fearful of losing their their job preaching - being hated - and even divorced.

Let’s face it - preaching what the Word actually says is no longer acceptable inside the majority of Christian congregations. If it’s not acceptable inside a Christian congregation - how much more un acceptable is it outside?
 
frederick said:
For me personally with having two wives, I've had far more push-back and hatred from so-called Christians than I've had from non-religous people. Religious people have been worse by far.
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It is my speculation, my hypothesis, that majority of Christians that you describe who would give you push back would be from a camp that deviates from true message of the gospel: Catholics, Orthodox, and Calvinists. I would be surprised to hear if someone outside these camps I listed would anathematise you for polygyny. I am sure there are exceptions, but general tendencies. (I understand some of you may still put yourself in this camp, but it is my observation, I hope to start thread about this later). And by anathematising I mean they would claim that you do not possess the salvation and will deny you fellowship with them.

It appears that true things about God would be more palatable/acceptable including polygyny if the gospel produced new creation. Christ said the following,

"He that is of God heareth God’s words; ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God"

And in the same place, "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own, for he is a liar and the father of it.".

One of the great things about living in liberal societies, is that religious zealots with false gospel are limited in carrying out their self righteous condemnation. As attack on Münster of 1534–1535 testifies about that.

So I would say in order for people to accept polygyny unadulterated gospel message should be shared and spread.

Regarding various camps I mentioned. I believe that in spite of false gospel being propagated in those camps, there are plethora of saved souls there.
 
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