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It makes me feel sick to my stomach thinking of all the blood spilled, the pain and the suffering and the loss endured by those who served and their families. Also, it’s heartbreaking to think that so many Afghanis are going to be tortured, raped, and murdered as the Taliban takes full control of the country.
Exactly! I've been ill all weekend for the families of fellow soldiers who breathed their last in that foreign ___hole. I have nothing but anger and contempt for this administration. Honestly, we should have been out of there a long time ago, but a careful retrograde would have saved a lot of very brave Afghans who helped us and cared for their nation. Now, they will have a blood bath and America is yet again the laughingstock of the world. It feels like more of the public undressing of a once great nation as the Almighty humbles us.
Very sad.
Very sad.
I don't know what it's like over there, but in all our media they keep saying 'America' and 'The USA' pulled out or did this or that. Literally no one is using the name Biden or even the term President of the USA.
If Trump had done this you better believe this would've been all Trump's fault and his name would be in flashing lights showing how he'd destroyed Afghanistan. There's crickets from or about Biden.
As Teddy Kennedy was famous for saying, "You bet your sweet ass they would be!"
By the way, when will New Zealand pull out of Afghanistan?
No idea. They're currently sending people back in...
A lot of controversy over here about how they're not making it a priority to get locals that helped NZ'ers out of the country with their families. They should've done it earlier, but ya know, red tape and bureaucracy and all.
They were basically all out ages ago, as of the start of this year we had a total of 6 people in Afghanistan, and they were due to all leave by May. So they're gone.
That's why they're talking about sending troops back in to help the translators. Our government is better at talking than acting though so there's a good chance they'll actually do nothing but leave everyone thinking they're doing something until the news cycle moves on and forgets it. It's probably hopeless anyway at this stage.
It's almost as if the news coverage in both our countries were somehow coordinated or something . . .
This is just horrific
where are the machine guns? kill the taliban like ridding the kitchen of ants
i don't really mean this but i get so angry when men don't just take care of the da*n situation
rape is right that's what happens in war, american women need to get their heads out of the sand and realize this life isn't all soft and cushy, guys take a stand for crying out loud
i don't really mean this but i get so angry when men don't just take care of the da*n situation
rape is right that's what happens in war, american women need to get their heads out of the sand and realize this life isn't all soft and cushy, guys take a stand for crying out loud
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China is moving to take over Afghanistan now. They'll either slaughter the Afghans or be slaughtered themselves. Either way I am glad that America is finally out of there.
https://www.silkroadbriefing.com/news/2021/08/17/the-afghanistan-china-belt-road-initiative/
https://www.silkroadbriefing.com/news/2021/08/17/the-afghanistan-china-belt-road-initiative/
China won't fight them, they've learnt from history. They're proactively being the Taliban's friendliest neighbour, so that they can deal with the Taliban directly. The Taliban have already agreed to cut off relations with the extremist group that has previously operated in Xinjiang.
China will get Afghanistan's minerals and a trade route through negotiation and bribery, without firing a shot.
And, open the door for the 200 million man army that marches on Israel in the end... Afghanistan makes their trip much shorter!
Thankyou @ginger2. I'm trying to avoid saying too much on this particular issue, because at times I have given the more patriotic people here the false impression that I am biased against the USA, and I find it hard to say things that contain critical content while ensuring that the reader on the other end hears it as I intended to say it. Hence the use of a newspaper headline instead.
But this is a complete mess. I was fully in favour of the idea of the USA getting out of Afghanistan at some point, because the long war seemed pointless. But the way this has unfolded (which would have been entirely predictable to intelligence people) is atrocious.
All around the world, figures in the media are questioning whether the USA can be relied upon to protect their allies elsewhere (Taiwan, Israel, South Korea etc). And also questioning whether the USA's immense numerical military superiority means anything, if it cannot be used effectively to defeat a ragtag group of terrorists. These are not my statements, it's my summary of what's being said around the world in the media this week.
Such attitudes are very dangerous, as the US military has been a stabilising influence in global affairs since WW2. The Pax Americana has existed in the West.
But then, just maybe, it was really the standoff between the massive US and USSR militaries that was the stabilising influence in all areas outside the few proxy wars that occurred in small states - in the Cold War there was also peace in eastern Europe and central Asia (albeit achieved through brutality by the USSR). So most of the world was at peace in some fashion. Maybe with the fall of the USSR, the imbalance has removed the stability, creating more wars, and causing the USA to overextend itself - it may have had the capacity to stabilise the Western world and southern Asia, but not all of the world including central Asia and eastern Europe.
Rightly or wrongly, this event is being used by international media and governments to give the USA the appearance of weakness. Whether true or false, an appearance of weakness in an empire is an invitation to war.
I fear this will be a turning point towards a darker future. Likely beginning in Taiwan, and at a time chosen strategically by China to coincide with US military & political distraction elsewhere.
But this is a complete mess. I was fully in favour of the idea of the USA getting out of Afghanistan at some point, because the long war seemed pointless. But the way this has unfolded (which would have been entirely predictable to intelligence people) is atrocious.
All around the world, figures in the media are questioning whether the USA can be relied upon to protect their allies elsewhere (Taiwan, Israel, South Korea etc). And also questioning whether the USA's immense numerical military superiority means anything, if it cannot be used effectively to defeat a ragtag group of terrorists. These are not my statements, it's my summary of what's being said around the world in the media this week.
Such attitudes are very dangerous, as the US military has been a stabilising influence in global affairs since WW2. The Pax Americana has existed in the West.
But then, just maybe, it was really the standoff between the massive US and USSR militaries that was the stabilising influence in all areas outside the few proxy wars that occurred in small states - in the Cold War there was also peace in eastern Europe and central Asia (albeit achieved through brutality by the USSR). So most of the world was at peace in some fashion. Maybe with the fall of the USSR, the imbalance has removed the stability, creating more wars, and causing the USA to overextend itself - it may have had the capacity to stabilise the Western world and southern Asia, but not all of the world including central Asia and eastern Europe.
Rightly or wrongly, this event is being used by international media and governments to give the USA the appearance of weakness. Whether true or false, an appearance of weakness in an empire is an invitation to war.
I fear this will be a turning point towards a darker future. Likely beginning in Taiwan, and at a time chosen strategically by China to coincide with US military & political distraction elsewhere.
