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An Ex Mormon Speaks on the Corruption of that False Religion

Dr. K.R. Allen

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A testimony of an ex-mormon on how he sees the Mormons as a false un-christian religion. This fella is what he calls a recovering ex-mormon. Like all cults they reject the foundational three key elements of the true faith: The Tri-unity of God (the Father, Son, and Spirit are each God and all are unified as the one Godhead), salvation by grace alone through faith alone, and the Bible as the only perfectly inspired revelation of God.

Found at http://exmormon.org/d6/drupal/fourteen

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The fourteen fundamental articles or beliefs of Mormons

Recovery
The reason this is here is because many have written to me wanting to know what do Mormons really believe. There are a lot of pro-Mormon propaganda sites and they all say the same thing - family unity, they are Christian, the Book of Mormon is true and on and on. These other sites still do not say what they really believe. What Mormons actually believe is not normally taught by the Mormon missionaries or shown on the TV commercials. Mormon doctrine is quite fluid.

The Mormon church has the 13 articles of faith that missionaries and members like to hand out, but it does not contain most of the doctrines that make the Mormon Church unique. Also, when the original "13" articles of faith were written it was 14. So being true to the idea of original version, I decided to have the 14 fundamental beliefs of Mormons. I listed these in order of importance to a Mormon. There may be some variance in the order of importance depending on the Mormon you may talk to. This list does not follow the original 14 except in number. I use the term "we" to refer to Mormons. I used to believe these things. I have included at least one reference on some points where Mormons have written to me saying they don't believe those things. They apparently do not know their own doctrines.

1 - God was once a man who lived on another planet

This is the most important teaching of Mormonism. Nothing else comes close to it. We believe that God was once a mortal man on another planet who progressed by living in obedience to the laws and ordinances of the gospel he had on his world, then he died. He became a resurrected man and evolved to become a god. He is still married now (some early leaders say he is a polygamist) and created this world. We worship only the one true god, which is really one god among millions or billions or more. We believe that we will follow in God's footsteps by becoming perfect and we too will become Gods and Goddesses creating spirit children and peopling other worlds. The Mormon TV commercials showing family togetherness is the foundation for life in the next world - as a family - as gods.

Reference: Journal of Discourses Vol. 6 Page 4, 1844. Joseph Smith speaking:
"...you have to learn to be Gods yourselves, and to be kings and priests to God, the same as all Gods have done before you, - namely, by going from one small degree to another..."

Reference: Journal of Discourses Vol. 6 Page 275, 1852. Brighan Young speaking:
"After men have got their exaltations and their crowns - have become Gods..."

2 - We are co-eternal with God

We believe we have all existed for all eternity. First we existed as "intelligences", which has never been defined, then we were given spirit bodies in a heaven by our eternal parents. Our "intelligences" have existed forever just like the our God's has and we have been around him in one form or another forever. He has just simply progressed ahead of us.

Reference: Journal of Discourses Vol. 6 Page 7, 1844. Joseph Smith speaking:
"God himself, finding he was in the midst of spirits and glory, because he was more intelligent, saw proper to institute laws whereby the rest could have a priviledge to advance like himself"

3 - The origin of Jesus Christ

Jesus was begotten by physical union of God and Mary. Since God has a body of flesh and bones, he really had literal sex with Mary. The product of this union was Jesus, part man and part God. We believe Jesus was the first born in heaven by heavenly father and mother who created his spirit and our spirits using our "intelligences" as a foundation for our spirits. Our "intelligences" were floating around in the universe and needed to be organized into spirits. Since he was the first born spirit, and according to the Book of Abraham, his "intelligence" was better than the other "intelligences" out there, he is the most important spirit creation. When Jesus received his physical body by the union of God and Mary, his spirit was put into his body like our spirits were put into our bodies. His body was special though because his father was a god. The rest of us have only regular dads.

Again, a few Mormons wrote saying they do not believe this and I am misrepresenting the church's position. Actually the quotes from the early leaders are stranger than I could create from my imagination. Here are a few references:

Brigham Young speaking in the Journal of Discourses Vo1 1, Page 51 1852, "Jesus our Elder Brother was begotten in the flesh by the same character that was in the garden of Eden, and who is our Father in Heaven."

Brigham Young speaking in the Journal of Discourses Vo1 15, Page 770 1853, "Now remember from this time forth, and for ever, that Jesus Christ was not begotten by the Holy Ghost... if the Son was begotten by the Holy Ghost, it would be a very dangerous to baptize and confirm females, and give the Holy Ghost to them, lest he should beget children..."

4 - Truth is determined by feelings

We believe we know the truth by our feelings. We do not rely on and we will disregard any facts that contradict what our feelings tell us is true. If something feels bad, like someone telling us that Joseph Smith was a fraud, then we know that Smith must of been a prophet since falsehoods create bad feelings and it feels bad when someone tells us that we have been duped. In other words, if we get a bad feeling, we are hearing bad things which must be lies. We feel good when we read the Book of Mormon, therefore it is true. Archeology, genetics, science, metallurgy, agriculture and animal studies are irrelevant since our feelings tell us it is a true book revealed by God. This good feeling applies to all aspects of our lives. We determine if we should do something or know the truth of something if we have prayed about it and have a good feeling about it.

5 - What a Prophet said can be revised depending on the circumstances

We believe that when the Prophet, the head of our church, says something that is definitely wrong he was not being inspired at that time. He was only speaking as a man. We believe that the newer Prophets can override the older Prophets. We believe we have a prophet on earth today even though he never prophecies anything.

Reference: Ezra Taft Benson '14 Fundamentals in Following the Prophets' pgs 1-16, 1980:
"Beware of those who would pit the dead prophets against the living prophets, for the living prophets always take precedence."

6 - Saving our dead ancestors shows we are the only Christian church

We believe we have temples where we get the handshakes and passwords that allow us to become gods. We also baptize by proxy dead people so they too can become Mormons.

7 - Ex-Mormons or apostates had sin in their life or never had a testimony

We believe apostates, if they had a testimony, will be cast into outer darkness. The others who leave Mormonism must never had a testimony.

8 - We will only read church approved materials

Any literature which is critical of the church is Satanic and/or written by disgruntled apostates or others who do not know the truth. They can be ignored and any reasonable arguments they have are unimportant since they oppose the gospel of Mormonism.

9 - We need to convert the whole world to Mormonism

We believe we must send all our young men from ages 19-22 on missions throughout the world and many of our unmarried daughters. We must also save our money so that when we are older we can go on a mission as a married couple.

10 - By being Mormons we are assured of salvation - even if we are wrong

We believe that even if we are wrong about Mormonism, God will forgive us since we believed in Christ just like the Christians said we should. If we are right, and we know we are, then we will be together forever with our families as gods. Why should we want to be anything other than Mormons since we have all our bases covered?

11 - Since we have the name of Christ in our church - our church is the only true one.

Only the true church would have Christ's name in it. We ignore the fact that the Doctrine and Covenants and other books were published by the church when Joseph Smith had the church renamed for several years as the Church of the Latter-day Saints.

12 - We believe in the Book of Mormon

We believe in a book which has no archeological support whatsoever and claim it is a religious record of various peoples who populated the Americas for over 2600 years from around 2200 BC to 420 AD. We believe that the second group of people who occupied the Americas were Jewish and spoke Hebrew and kept their records in reformed Egyptian. These people also numbered in the millions and somehow they left no tangible proof of their existence. Some Mormons believe that in the near future the leaders of the church will admit that the peoples the book describes are fictional, but maintain that the book still contains religious truths.

13 - The fruits of Mormonism prove it is the true church

We believe by manipulating statistics we can show we have a superior belief system. We disregard statistics which are embarrassing to our position such as the high divorce rate in Utah.

14 Since there are people who oppose our beliefs - our beliefs must be true

We believe that those who write against us and assail our beliefs are proof that we are the only true church. Only the true church would have anything bad said about it. The Devil fights against the truth.

This is from a letter received from an Internet friend 2/8/96:
"As a Mormon for my entire life, the very first time I felt persecuted for my beliefs was when I tried to leave the LDS faith. Never on my mission did I ever feel opposed (I went to a foreign country with virtually no anti-Mormons). Never did I feel like someone didn't allow me the "same priviledge of worshipping God according to the dictates of my own conscience" until MY OWN FAMILY found out I no longer believed in the fairy tales of Mormonism. Then all of a sudden my active LDS mother-in-law thought it would be "better" for my wife to leave me. All this despite the fact that my wife loves me, I love my wife and child, and I hadn't even committed anything the Mormon church would consider a sin (except perhaps apostasy, but apostatizing from a lie is no sin in my book). Anyway, if "only the [truth] would have anything bad said about it" the reaction I received by leaving the LDS church meant I was heading into the truth."
 
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Dr. K.R. Allen said:
We believe by manipulating statistics we can show we have a superior belief system. We disregard statistics which are embarrassing to our position such as the high divorce rate in Utah.

This manipulation is quite pervasive throughout the entire Mormon organization. For decades now, the leadership hierarchy has encouraged it's historians to only write what they call "faith promoting history". As a result, they routinely play fast and loose with the facts.

Blessings,
Fairlight
 
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Here is a very good site with information on not only the Mormons, but also the Jehovah's Witnesses (Watchtower Society) and others...

http://godandscience.org/cults/index.html

I found her testimony to be exceptionally compelling...

http://godandscience.org/cults/roxanne_johns.html

"Deliverance from the Lying Holy Ghost of Mormonism"

(small excerpt - read her entire story)

"A few months after I was born again, I was still confusing Mormon doctrine with Biblical doctrine. I prayed for the witness of the Holy Ghost to confirm some very important decisions I was trying to make. I was seeking a sign, an undeniable burning in my bosom, from God. I did receive that burning in my chest, so warm and lovely, so desirable that I didn't want it to leave. It became stronger than ever, just growing in warmth and beauty. I thought "wow, God really does love me - the Spirit is just moving through me so strongly". I was in a trance and didn't move a muscle for hours. It was an incredible, indescribably pleasant feeling, throughout my body. I felt I could joyfully remain in that state for my entire life and longer, without physical movement. This spirit remained with me for four days and I won't go into detail here about all of my dealings with this very real, very strong, very persuasive and sensual, alluring spirit, which I thought was God. It clearly, though inaudibly, told me it was God and it sought my worship. It felt so incredible! And it was witty and fun to have as a buddy. That's how it presented itself to me...my new best friend.

When I finally realized that this spirit was not who it claimed to be (one big indicator was that it blurred my Bible text and made it nearly impossible to read it), and I focused only on Jesus Christ, it left me in a dramatic, terrifying way. At that point it was made crystal clear to me that I had at least sometimes been praying not for the one true and living God, but for the "god of the Book of Mormon", who had deceived me my entire life. As the deceptive spirit fled from me, I was terrified and shaking. Loud (though again, inaudible), unmistakable impressions on my mind came very quickly. The most startling message being "of course that was not Me but the god of the Book of Mormon who you continue to ask for".

I instantly knew that God wanted me to stop praying for that spirit and confusing it with His own. I instantly understood that all of the answers to my confusion were found in the Bible. I instantly understood that signs are for the unbelievers and that I didn't need a physical, mystical feeling to know that God loves me. His Word says He loves me. I understood that truly, His grace is sufficient for me. He permitted and used this awful, invasive, demonic experience for His glory and purpose. Without this answer to my ignorant prayer, I would have never believed that Mormons receive confirmation directly from the Devil, that the Book of Mormon is true. If they were born again and grounded in the Word, they would recognize that Joseph Smith and Moroni presented to the world "another gospel", followed by numerous false prophesies and evidences that it isn't Christ's Church, and they certainly wouldn't test God by praying about its truthfulness."
 
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WOW!

In the 60s, my Dad (a Seventh-day Adventist pastor) was involved on at least one occasion that I distinctly remember (as a small child) in helping a mormon woman escape Mormonism. We're talking underground railroad kinda stuff. She was in deep fear for her life, and apparently with good reason. ...
 
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Might that be a little too strong? Many of us see Christ as a perfect created being. The Bible tells us he is the firstborn of every creature (Col. 1:15 KJV). He is the second Adam though without sin. And too what about if someone has a gift of prophecy and tongues. Dont those with those gifts speak directly for God and if there words were written down too would they not also be from God? Makes sense to me and many others.
 
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byron said:
Might that be a little too strong? Many of us see Christ as a perfect created being. The Bible tells us he is the firstborn of every creature (Col. 1:15 KJV). He is the second Adam though without sin. And too what about if someone has a gift of prophecy and tongues. Dont those with those gifts speak directly for God and if there words were written down too would they not also be from God? Makes sense to me and many others.
Byron, as a staff member here at Biblical Families let me answer this. No, it is not too strong. We are not here to debate endlessly about doctrine (even though it may look like it lately), we want to avoid such threads. Mormon doctrine and the Mormon concept of Christ is not the Christ we find in the Bible and no one, regardless of their gifts or where they come from is on an equal plane with the Bible. We do not have "Another Testament of Jesus Christ". We welcome people from a wide variety of backgrounds to fellowship here, but we cannot invite teaching or portraying of Christ and the Bible other than He and His Word are defined in our "About Us" page. I hope we all understand and appreciate the need for some boundaries and can enjoy the fellowship within these parameters. Thank you for your interest and participation.
 
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Mr Whitten I looked over what you said, the terms above and I am in agreement about plural marriages as the focus here. I did quote the Bible so I thought that was what this site is about, the bible and family. I believe the bible and agree with the focus here. But I did not see anything that conflicted. I was not meaning to upset you. I just feel like we can be family focused while not seeing everything the same in those areas noted. I felt like the emphasis on these matters here were stated too strongly for those of us who are a part of the same idea on family but see these things differently. Not sure what I said that was so upsetting. I did not mean to upset you with anything I said only trying to suggest such things don't have to be so strongly believed so as to isolate others of us. Thats all I was saying or trying to.
 
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Byron: I don't believe that Pastor Whitten was upset. He was merely tactful, but CLEAR.

If you come from a Mormon background and hold to a Mormon theology regarding Jesus, you will most likely find yourself far more comfortable on another site. The general membership of this site does NOT consider this article to be too strongly worded, nor consider the Mormon claim that their view is as orthodox and acceptable as any other to be valid. More, while they have a strong view of family, their view and ideas thereon are strongly influenced by another standard than ours. The differences are marked enough that we truly are NOT in harmony with one another.

While we on this site argue at times over what the Bible says and means, we do hold to the doctrine of Sola Scriptura. That completely cuts out the Book of Mormon, The Pearl of Great Price, and other Mormon writings. It also does not accept the idea that living prophets have a right to say anything contrary to the Bible, but rather that the validity of anything they DO say is to be judged by it.

If your background and ideas are NOT based on Mormon teaching and theology, feel free to let us know who you are and what you DO believe. But I, as a non-staff member of BF, stand entirely behind what Pastor Whitten wrote.
 
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CecilW said:
But I, as a non-staff member of BF, stand entirely behind what Pastor Whitten wrote.

As do I......

Blessings,
Fairlight
 
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feel free to let us know who you are and what you DO believe

Not a Mormon nor have I ever been. I am a Christian who believes that Jesus is God's first created being. Maybe I should have said that first. Sorry bout that. My point is that the bible says Jesus is created by God, the firstborn of creation. The post stated that all false people deny the Tri-unity of God and so on and so forth. Anyway, I'm not here to debate doctrine as I agree with the terms and conditions on the entrance page. We can agree to disagree on this and focus on bigger issues like the terms suggested, things like building a godly family. To that we can all agree on
 
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Howdy Byron! Looks like it's been a bumpy ride in for you, but welcome. One thing I love about this forum is that people actually DO speak the Truth in Love here. It can be rough sometimes, but iron sharpens iron.
 
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Hello Byron, and welcome. You may find this post interesting to see how things are often discussed.

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byron said:
Not a Mormon nor have I ever been. I am a Christian who believes that Jesus is God's first created being. Maybe I should have said that first. Sorry bout that. My point is that the bible says Jesus is created by God, the firstborn of creation. The post stated that all false people deny the Tri-unity of God and so on and so forth. Anyway, I'm not here to debate doctrine as I agree with the terms and conditions on the entrance page. We can agree to disagree on this and focus on bigger issues like the terms suggested, things like building a godly family. To that we can all agree on

Fair enough. Welcome. Some here get pretty heated on that subject, as you may have guessed. Others of us figger that particular debate has been around a coupla thousand years and we aren't gonna solve it here, though most of us, me included, take the other side.
 
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byron,
there are a few of us here who believe that Yeshua (Jesus) was the son of YHWH (God) just as stated in the bible.
 
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steve said:
byron,
there are a few of us here who believe that Yeshua (Jesus) was the son of YHWH (God) just as stated in the bible.

Just "a few"?
I would say most of us believe that Jesus was the Son of God just as stated in the Bible.
 
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Well I hope we all believe. As far as mormonism goes, I first met a mormon a year ago and I found their belief's so foreign to my southern baptist one's. My boyfriend at the time was taken in by their families and values. He was baptised a mormon, then as rumor has it he "took a break" from mormonism a month later. I believe God was calling him back. And also, I sort of resent that they seen to have a public monopoly on polygamy. Not that they practice it right. If I believed every feeling I have is right or wrong and acted on them I would be in jail right now. That's just faulty doctrine.
 
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Byron,

I hope all is well with you. In examining your views as stated they are not in line with the confession of this ministry in regard to who is Christ Jesus. He is Lord, i.e. God in the flesh who came to die for our sins, arise again, and is now alive and living inside of those of us who have him in us through the Holy Spirit. You use the term Christian but you are doing so in a non-historical way. The term as used in the Bible means one who affirms that Jesus Christ is the Lord God who is incarnate and has come in the flesh. If you are interested in examining the truth of who is Christ and embracing him as Lord so you can be saved or delivered or reformed from your current non-Christian position then let's talk outside of this thread somewhere privately. I or others here would be glad to introduce you to the Christ of the Bible. Without him and knowing him for who he truly is there is very little eternal good one can do for family life. Knowing and understanding who is Christ is absolutely fundamental for a man to be a true patriarchal leader over his home. It takes God living in someone as Christ in the Spirit to be a wise, strong, and mature patriarch. Knowing who is Christ is the first fundamental to all else. To build a godly family one must build upon the right view of Christ. We indeed do want to encourage families towards truth and grace. And to that end it is vitally important to begin on the proper and right foundation. To build on the rock and not the sand we must begin with the truth of Christ being God in the flesh. Anything else is building a life and family on the sinking sand. And furthermore in the light of eternity it can also be eternally damning. Let me know if you are interested in re-evaluating your position and considering the goal and mission of us here in making Christ Jesus Lord over all with a focus on that in Patriarchal living. This is the larger issue and not the other way around. It is not family first and then an addendum of other doctrines but rather it is Christ as Lord first over all and then family second. It follows the line of thought where the Lord said to love him first and foremost and then to love our neighbor as ourselves. Until we first love Christ rightly we cannot love our neighbors purely or rightly as God so desired of us.
 
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