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I wrote this two years ago, but never did post or publish it until now. It has been sitting in my google drive since I wrote it. My husband only wants me to have regular postings and interactions in the ladies section. However, he has made an exception and allowed me to post this here and interact on this post alone. I have had past interactions with those from the Middle East. These interactions have included both Muslims and Christians alike. There is a strong emphasis on roles within the family and society of men and women. I am no way endorsing the false belief system of Islam or the egregious human rights violations that occur in Saudia Arabia. I do not believe that women driving is a sin. This was written on how the illusion of female emancipation can actually lead to female oppression.

Female Emancipation =Female Oppression??

As an American woman, I watch the media reports and various documentaries on “ women’s rights’’ in nations, such as Saudi Arabia. Americans sadly believe we are the gold standard on human rights and overall mortality in the world. I am grateful that I am able to obtain an education, employment and medical care without the permission of a male guardian. These are the rights and privileges that Saudi women have not traditionally had, however with King Salman's recently loosening of the guardianship system, there is hope for the gradual emancipation of women.


Change in any society must come from within and gradually, at best outsiders may or may not influence and bring ideas. However, outsiders cannot come in and demand dramatic change. Saudi’s do not like a dramatic change, nor should they be forced by the West to embrace it. Women’s rights activist like to focus on driving for Saudi women, as a sign of emancipation. Is this really a way to emancipate Saudi women? Yet, many of them fail to realise, that even in nations where women are permitted to drive, it is a privilege, not a right. One must pass a driver's test in order to obtain a driver's license and must abide by the traffic laws, lest they lose their driving privileges. I do drive to the supermarket, doctor's appointments and my place of worship. Personally, I find driving to be more a chore, than an empowering aspect of womanhood.


Since change is better implemented gradually, perhaps ideally the government will allow a limited number of women to become taxi and bus drivers, for women only. This certainly would be preferential to being along in a car with a non-related male. If the purpose of banning women drivers is for safety and modesty than the latter defeats the purpose. Hopefully, the Saudi government will be willing to examine this suggestion, which may allow Saudi society to gradually accept women driving altogether. This change, either way, can only be implemented from within the society of the Kingdom.


Often, when we are granted rights as women, we often lose protections we traditionally have enjoyed. Saudi women have the assurance of protection, that women in the West no longer enjoy. Saudi women, in general, have assurance, their basic needs will be provided for by male family members. As an American woman because of the influence of feminism, I no longer have the assurance of such protection. It is assumed that women are just like men and are responsible for obtaining their own provision and protection. Instead of being able to rely on her family if she falls on hard times, too often she is forced to beg the government for what meagre social assistance she can get. In a country that is traditionally Christian, an American woman often cannot even turn to her faith community for help.


Saudi society is very strongly family orientated, where the American family has crumbled into the dust. Thanks to feminism that for the past 50 years, that has taken husbands and father’s out of the equation, has eroded the American family. The foundation of any society is the family and hence American society has crumbled because men are no longer allowed to be the leaders. They can no longer be leaders in their home, their places of worship or their community. Saudi’s value the role of mothers and homemakers, which is beneficial for their children and shaping the next generation. American woman, who choose to stay home and raise a family are now devalued as being leeches on society. Not only are we expected to keep the home, but we are also expected to work outside the home for 40 hours plus a week. Instead of our children, being at home with their mothers, they are consigned to daycare or the public school system from a young age. Saudi women have the benefit of having women’s only spaces in public life and the workplace. (I am not disputing that some aspects of public life are off-limits to Saudi women and it is worth examining opening up women’s only spaces in these areas. ) These spaces give women a sense of privacy and dignity, that I am not privileged to enjoy in the United States. Currently, we are fighting to keep our sex-segregated public bathrooms and women’s locker rooms, as we have men who believe they are women demanding access to them. Hence, this is putting the very safety of women and girls at risk to the harm of sexual predators.


In conclusion, we often believe the grass is greener on the other side. However, I urge Saudi women, that while they should advocate for their human rights, to not trade their protection and security. It is possible that you will be trading real security, for a false sense of emancipation. In some ways, American women are more vulnerable and enslaved than our Saudi counterparts, without the protection of our male family members. American equality is not based on human rights while embracing our created female nature. It is about shedding that off and becoming as much like men as possible. Sadly, our children and society have crumbled into the dust, because we have disregarded the importance of husbands and fathers, as our God-ordained providers and protectors.
 
Apperantly women in the Bible could go to the well by themselves, it's not that far a stretch to not see a problem if they drove a car there.

But then again, you never here of them operating a camel.
 
You seem to celebrate female emancipation while decrying the loss of protection and financial support that went along with it. But men do not and never have gotten those things. This is the usual wanting to have your cake and eat it too. With liberty comes responsibility. Lost protection isn't the same thing as oppression.

Men used to have men's only spaces. Feminism systematically destroyed them all and made them illegal. But when the show is on the other foot suddenly it's a problem. I can't help but notice no one decries women getting access to men's bathrooms.

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You seem to celebrate female emancipation while decrying the loss of protection and financial support that went along with it. But men do not and never have gotten those things. This is the usual wanting to have your cake and eat it too. With liberty comes responsibility. Lost protection isn't the same thing as oppression.

Men used to have men's only spaces. Feminism systematically destroyed them all and made them illegal. But when the shoe is on the other foot suddenly it's a problem. I can't help but notice no one decries women getting access to men's bathrooms.

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I had to bite my tongue, before responding to you, before I could just laugh it off. As I have noted before, you seem to have an overall low view in general of women.( Just an observation from past posts and interactions) This was written in 2017 and my stance has grown more conservative in the past almost three years. This was written in the first year after my first husband threw us out of the house and before I remarried. However, I stand by that women should not have to have male permission to study, get medical attention or seek employment in this cursed fallen world. That is not feminism, but in the context that is simply advocating for those who have no covering to be able to support themselves and their children and to get treatment for injury or illness. Feminism oppresses women because we are expected to be like men in addition to doing all of the domestic duties expected of us. If feminism was about true equality than the biological differences and gender roles would be honoured and valued. Many men also benefit from feminism in the sense that they do not feel the need to be responsible men. They do not feel the need to lead their homes or provide for their families. They devalue the roles of being a wife and mother and see the woman who wants to fulfil that role as a lazy mooch. It is convenient to deflect one's own blame onto feminism, but at the end of the day we are responsible for our own actions before God.
 
Many men also benefit from feminism in the sense that they do not feel the need to be responsible men. They do not feel the need to lead their homes or provide for their families. They devalue the roles of being a wife and mother and see the woman who wants to fulfil that role as a lazy mooch.
That's sadly true even in church circles. Try telling some men God didn't institute the 40 hour week, and it's speaking heresy. God gave us six days to work to provide for our families and ourselves, and He even gave us one day to rest and remember Him. There are men I've known personally who sent the wife out to work because they didn't want to work more than 40 hours a week and that was acceptable to others in the church. Feminism has cost women a lot but I wouldn't want to be a woman in Saudi Arabia where feminism hasn't had the same impact yet. Just say'in... .
 
That's sadly true even in church circles. Try telling some men God didn't institute the 40 hour week, and it's speaking heresy. God gave us six days to work to provide for our families and ourselves, and He even gave us one day to rest and remember Him. There are men I've known personally who sent the wife out to work because they didn't want to work more than 40 hours a week and that was acceptable to others in the church. Feminism has cost women a lot but I wouldn't want to be a woman in Saudi Arabia where feminism hasn't had the same impact yet. Just say'in... .
I would not want to be a woman there either. There is certainly room for improvement in Saudi, but one also does not want to swing the pendulum so far to the left either.
 
I wrote this two years ago, but never did post or publish it until now. It has been sitting in my google drive since I wrote it. My husband only wants me to have regular postings and interactions in the ladies section. However, he has made an exception and allowed me to post this here and interact on this post alone. I have had past interactions with those from the Middle East. These interactions have included both Muslims and Christians alike. There is a strong emphasis on roles within the family and society of men and women. I am no way endorsing the false belief system of Islam or the egregious human rights violations that occur in Saudia Arabia. I do not believe that women driving is a sin. This was written on how the illusion of female emancipation can actually lead to female oppression.

Female Emancipation =Female Oppression??

As an American woman, I watch the media reports and various documentaries on “ women’s rights’’ in nations, such as Saudi Arabia. Americans sadly believe we are the gold standard on human rights and overall mortality in the world. I am grateful that I am able to obtain an education, employment and medical care without the permission of a male guardian. These are the rights and privileges that Saudi women have not traditionally had, however with King Salman's recently loosening of the guardianship system, there is hope for the gradual emancipation of women.


Change in any society must come from within and gradually, at best outsiders may or may not influence and bring ideas. However, outsiders cannot come in and demand dramatic change. Saudi’s do not like a dramatic change, nor should they be forced by the West to embrace it. Women’s rights activist like to focus on driving for Saudi women, as a sign of emancipation. Is this really a way to emancipate Saudi women? Yet, many of them fail to realise, that even in nations where women are permitted to drive, it is a privilege, not a right. One must pass a driver's test in order to obtain a driver's license and must abide by the traffic laws, lest they lose their driving privileges. I do drive to the supermarket, doctor's appointments and my place of worship. Personally, I find driving to be more a chore, than an empowering aspect of womanhood.


Since change is better implemented gradually, perhaps ideally the government will allow a limited number of women to become taxi and bus drivers, for women only. This certainly would be preferential to being along in a car with a non-related male. If the purpose of banning women drivers is for safety and modesty than the latter defeats the purpose. Hopefully, the Saudi government will be willing to examine this suggestion, which may allow Saudi society to gradually accept women driving altogether. This change, either way, can only be implemented from within the society of the Kingdom.


Often, when we are granted rights as women, we often lose protections we traditionally have enjoyed. Saudi women have the assurance of protection, that women in the West no longer enjoy. Saudi women, in general, have assurance, their basic needs will be provided for by male family members. As an American woman because of the influence of feminism, I no longer have the assurance of such protection. It is assumed that women are just like men and are responsible for obtaining their own provision and protection. Instead of being able to rely on her family if she falls on hard times, too often she is forced to beg the government for what meagre social assistance she can get. In a country that is traditionally Christian, an American woman often cannot even turn to her faith community for help.


Saudi society is very strongly family orientated, where the American family has crumbled into the dust. Thanks to feminism that for the past 50 years, that has taken husbands and father’s out of the equation, has eroded the American family. The foundation of any society is the family and hence American society has crumbled because men are no longer allowed to be the leaders. They can no longer be leaders in their home, their places of worship or their community. Saudi’s value the role of mothers and homemakers, which is beneficial for their children and shaping the next generation. American woman, who choose to stay home and raise a family are now devalued as being leeches on society. Not only are we expected to keep the home, but we are also expected to work outside the home for 40 hours plus a week. Instead of our children, being at home with their mothers, they are consigned to daycare or the public school system from a young age. Saudi women have the benefit of having women’s only spaces in public life and the workplace. (I am not disputing that some aspects of public life are off-limits to Saudi women and it is worth examining opening up women’s only spaces in these areas. ) These spaces give women a sense of privacy and dignity, that I am not privileged to enjoy in the United States. Currently, we are fighting to keep our sex-segregated public bathrooms and women’s locker rooms, as we have men who believe they are women demanding access to them. Hence, this is putting the very safety of women and girls at risk to the harm of sexual predators.


In conclusion, we often believe the grass is greener on the other side. However, I urge Saudi women, that while they should advocate for their human rights, to not trade their protection and security. It is possible that you will be trading real security, for a false sense of emancipation. In some ways, American women are more vulnerable and enslaved than our Saudi counterparts, without the protection of our male family members. American equality is not based on human rights while embracing our created female nature. It is about shedding that off and becoming as much like men as possible. Sadly, our children and society have crumbled into the dust, because we have disregarded the importance of husbands and fathers, as our God-ordained providers and protectors.
You nailed it @SerenaJoy82
 
I can't help but notice no one decries women getting access to men's bathrooms.

That is something that has longed bothered me. Female sportswriters have access to male locker rooms, but male sprotswriters do not have access to female locker rooms. Such a double standard. Both sexes should stay in the own locker rooms, and if this is a disadvantage to female sportswriters then that is just the way it goes, like it is vice versa.
 
That is something that has longed bothered me. Female sportswriters have access to male locker rooms, but male sprotswriters do not have access to female locker rooms. Such a double standard. Both sexes should stay in the own locker rooms, and if this is a disadvantage to female sportswriters then that is just the way it goes, like it is vice versa.
Hahaha it's not only female sports writers who have access to men's locker rooms. I was in a mall last week and went to the men's bathroom and there were women cleaners working in there. Same thing at the hospital I was visiting the week before. It is very common in some places for women to use the men's bathrooms in bars and nightclubs when there are cues in the women's bathrooms. No one seems overly concerned with these things but it would be a whole different response if it was around the other way.
 
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I had to bite my tongue, before responding to you, before I could just laugh it off. As I have noted before, you seem to have an overall low view in general of women.( Just an observation from past posts and interactions)

No, I simply don't have them on a pedestal. Women are sinners just the same as men. But sadly with the rise of feminism we glorify their sin and train them in it; even in the church.

Now do you want to name call or talk about ideas?

This was written in the first year after my first husband threw us out of the house and before I remarried. However, I stand by that women should not have to have male permission to study, get medical attention or seek employment in this cursed fallen world. That is not feminism, but in the context that is simply advocating for those who have no covering to be able to support themselves and their children and to get treatment for injury or illness. Feminism oppresses women because we are expected to be like men in addition to doing all of the domestic duties expected of us. If feminism was about true equality than the biological differences and gender roles would be honoured and valued. Many men also benefit from feminism in the sense that they do not feel the need to be responsible men. They do not feel the need to lead their homes or provide for their families.

I agree that feminism has accrued perceived benefits to men in that they have excuse to not lead their families or to not provide. But these are like the benefit of women being able to work in male jobs; in the end the fruit is bitter. The problem is, you can't honor biological differences and have equality; to handle differences requires unequal treatment.

Legal equality for women is undeniably feminism. Historically, legally, philosophically. It came about as a result of first wave feminism in the late 19th century when coverture was abolished.

Legal equality for women was never about "advocating for those who have no covering to be able to support themselves" as single women had those rights under common law before feminism came to power. So too did women work before, it's always been the case that some women have worked (mostly from the lower classes). What legal equality did was abolish covering entirely.
 
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