Hello everyone! I'm all riled up today trying to respond to a ministry I wrote the other month about the issue of PM. At the time, I already felt the LORD telling me I was to follow my husband in this way of life for our family, but I was still wrestling and was just curious what this ministry would say. I always admired its bold stance on how a woman should obey her husband in just about anything, so I thought perhaps they would confirm what the LORD was telling me. Not surprisingly, they did not confirm that at all and because of that, I feel I should write to them because I would hate to see them advise other women the way they have advised me. Of course, feel free to let me know if you think I am wasting my time.
My original question was simply, do I obey my husband in him wanting to take another wife and compared it to how Sara had to go along with Abraham not telling the whole truth that she was also his wife. Even IF my husband was wrong, should I be like Sara and just obey? This was the initial response from a man:
A woman wrote me the following in response:
Since I last wrote to them, I have become more solid in my views in all this (thanks in part to BF ). Here is what I've come up with for my response:
I look forward to any thoughts or even others' experiences in trying to write to ministries or others about this hot topic! Thanks!
My original question was simply, do I obey my husband in him wanting to take another wife and compared it to how Sara had to go along with Abraham not telling the whole truth that she was also his wife. Even IF my husband was wrong, should I be like Sara and just obey? This was the initial response from a man:
This is what I wrote back at that time:Thank you for writing to NGJ and to the Pearls. The Pearls regret that due to their heavy workload that they are not able to respond to each email personally. Jesus makes in plain in Matthew 19:5 His intent in marriage and it does not include polygamy. Polygamy is the result of the hardness of man's heart. Your analogy to Sara is incorrect in that she brought Hagar to Abraham and he relented to her wishes. This sin is not an area God would expect you to obey your husband.
Thank you for your response. I did not expect to hear from the Pearls personally. As far as my analogy to Sara, I was referring to how Debi talks in her book about when Abraham lied twice and Sara was taken by other men. She obeyed even though he was wrong. In this case, I would not be committing any sin by enduring polygyny and unconditionally loving my husband and not taking our children and leaving even if I am uncomfortable with the situation. I would consider it enduring grief and suffering like in 1 Peter. Second, I do not find that polgyny is a sin in the Bible. The only thing is by law, a man cannot have more than one wife in our country, but we know that God ordains marriage, not man so my husband is able to be committed to two women and he is not sinning as long as he does not try to have the government endorse both marriages.
I do not feel the LORD has given me permission to leave my husband even if he goes through with this. Perhaps others would be allowed to, but I do not feel at peace with that. If polygyny is not God's will, then I have to trust Him to change my husband's heart. But even if it is wrong in God's eyes, should a wife leave her husband simply because he is in love with another woman? Or would this be part of enduring grief that Michael Pearl talks about?
A woman wrote me the following in response:
The advice that Chuck gave you is where we stand as a ministry, we are not out to change your mind on what you believe. We'll let the scriptures speak for themselves.I Timothy 3:2 list the qualifications to be a bishop, husband of one wife tops the list. Also in I Timothy5:9 it says for a widow to receive help from the church she had to have been a wife of one man. From an historical standpoint, Polygamy did not seem to be a problem in the church at that time. Historians tell us that it is doubtful that polygamy was practiced by the Romans and Greeks of that time. Paul was prohibiting polygamy and polyandry, based on the scriptures stated above, also it was not reported to have occurred during that time and geographic location. I know Dr. Griffith, he pastored a sister church to the one my husband, I and our family attended when we lived in PA. He is a very conservative Bible teacher and does not teach that polygamy is an option. I did not see where he teaches that the marriage convent is just between you and God. That is an all together different subject anyway, that has nothing to with polygamy. Thank you for your thoughts.
I went to Dr. Griffith's website and found this on his blog. Heather if your husband marries another woman he'll be breaking the law of man and of God. I am so sorry that you have to face this issue, especially since you were not expecting it. You may just have to let him go. I would not let my husband have the best of both worlds, I have to much respect for myself then that and you should too, don't let him play a games with you.Pat Monday, December 3, 2007 I recently spoke at Millersville University at a Campus Bible Fellowship meeting. We discussed relationships. I asked the students if they thought bigamy should be accepted in our society. Then I asked about polygamy, group marriages, an adult marrying a child or a human marrying a dog. One asked about other cultures where polygamy is commonly practiced. The young lady wanted to know if we dared say such a cultural practice is wrong for the people of that culture. Our answer, of course, is that it wrong for everyone. The reason being that God has ordained certain relationships as appropriate and certain others as wrong. He has the right to do that and He has clearly spoken on the issue. Another student asked about homosexuality. We made it clear that God has ordained that physical intimacy is wrong outside of the marriage of one man to one woman. All other such relationships including bigamy, polygamy, homosexuality or whatever we might come up with next are outside of God's plan. Amazingly the next day, Nov. 13, 2007, it was reported online that a man in India married a dog. So much for what other cultures might accept. But why are these things wrong? If we take the Bible out of the picture for evaluating right and wrong any one of the perverions mentioned earlier might very well find acceptance. In fact our society is on its way to the worst of perversions, because we are on our way to total rejection of the Bible. Watch and see what happens in the years ahead of us.
Since I last wrote to them, I have become more solid in my views in all this (thanks in part to BF ). Here is what I've come up with for my response:
My Spirit is terribly grieved by your e-mails and I pray you will read and pray about all I am writing to you. I would lovingly plead with No Greater Joy and Mike and Debi Pearl to seek the LORD and His Word on this issue before giving other women the advice you have given me. Before I wrote to NGJ, I already sensed in my Spirit what the LORD was telling me and I thought perhaps NGJ would confirm that just based on everything Mike and Debi wrote in "Created to Be His Help Meet". Unfortunately, that was not the case. Why is that unfortunate? Because NGJ will be contributing to tearing families apart in giving such advice and that is scary ground to be treading on. Many women most likely consider advice coming from NGJ to be the word of God and would therefore heed it rather than leaving room that NGJ is a ministry made up and men and women who only "know in part."
I understand your line of thinking because I felt the same way until I realized I had been reading my Bible through glasses with western American Christian lenses. If one would simply take the Bible for what it says, it is quite clear that polgyny (a husband having more than wife) is totally acceptable with God as are monogamy or celibacy. And after much prayer and study, the LORD changed my heart to get on my husband's page and accept that this is God's plan for our family.
Regarding the verses you referenced (1 Timothy 3) where Paul lays out the qualifications for a bishop or a deacon: First off, if you take those verses at face value, he is not condemning a man having more than one wife. He is only saying that to be in leadership, a man should have only one wife. So, that would tell you right there it was normal for a man to have more than one wife. Secondly, words are often mistranslated from the Hebrew or Greek to English. If you look up "one" in those verses, it can mean "first". In that case, a bishop or deacon should be the husband of his "first" wife, meaning, he should not divorce or put away his first wife in order to take others. This would go along with Malachi 2 when it discusses why God hates divorce b/c a man deals treacherously with the "wife of his youth." A man should not put away the wife of his youth to have another wife...he should love all his wives and God even gives instructions on this in Exodus 21:10 which says, "If he take him another wife; her food, her raiment, and her duty of marriage, shall he not diminish." If God considers polygyny wrong, why would He give instructions on how to go about it?
And as far as the quotes from Dr. Griffith, how bold to say polygyny is wrong for everyone. Were Abraham, Jacob, David, Solomon, Elkanah, and so many others in the Bible wrong? If it was so "wrong", God would have condemned all of those godly men for having more than one wife...but he never did. David was only condemned for taking another man's wife and killing the husband. Otherwise, God says He GIVES wives to men - 2 Samuel 12:8 "I gave you your master’s house and your master’s wives into your keeping, and gave you the house of Israel and Judah. And if that had been too little, I also would have given you much more!" In the New Testament, Jesus uses a bridegroom and 10 virgins in the Matthew 25 parable. Would Jesus use such a "wrong" analogy in describing Himself?
The Bible clearly tells us it is not against God's law for a man to have more than one wife. God never condemns it and you will not find it listed as something that keeps one from inheriting the Kingdom or gets one cast into the lake of fire. And it is not against man's law for a man to be committed to more than one woman. It is only against the law if my husband asks the state to recognize both marriages.
Pat, you said, "I would not let my husband have the best of both worlds, I have to much respect for myself then that and you should too, don't let him play a games with you." From one wife to another, let me as gently as possible tell you I had the exact same thoughts until I realized that is pride and selfishness speaking out. I had to learn that attitude is not of the LORD, that is my flesh. And as Mike Pearl said in CTBHHM, Jesus did not live his life in ease and for his own pleasure. He lived and suffered for the glory that was to follow. And even if this causes me some suffering, I also see countless blessings and glory to come.
Just as Jesus was persecuted and judged by the religious of His day, those of us who feel called to polgyny are experiencing the same thing in this time period. This helps convince me all the more this is a cross to bear and that the LORD is pleased when we walk this out especially since it is all about loving others and sacrificing for each other just like Jesus did for us.
In summary, please think carefully about what you just advised me before you tell others the same. You told me I might have to let my husband go. So, you have basically advised me to take our 4 children away from an amazing, godly husband and father because he is doing something that our founding forefathers of the faith did. Please do not condemn a god-fearing man who lives a life pleasing to the LORD and is unselfish enough and wise enough with his finances to be able to provide for not one wife, but two.
With all sincerity and love for the LORD,
Heather
I look forward to any thoughts or even others' experiences in trying to write to ministries or others about this hot topic! Thanks!