Sounds about right for the Phillipines.
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It's all crap. Putin pays for this stuff to be posted all over the internet. There's not one bit of truth to any of it.
I would not be quick to claim that naval susceptibility to hypersonic weapons all crap. It's a long held concern.
Let's face it, we are a late stage empire. Decline is inevitable. And in the decline most people will refuse to believe it possible. And it's hard to put much long term confidence in a military that is racing to lower troop standards for political correctness reasons.
Poopoo Russia all you want. But it's their side thats winning in Syria, not us. Nor is that our only failure in Asia.
They do not have hypersonic missiles. They barely have missiles. The Syria situation is obviously a boondoggle and I won't defend our actions there but I promise you that Russia has committed a far greater portion of their military than we have.
The history speaks for itself. Russia has never been able to project a credible threat against a strong nation.
And therefore never will, right? That's the logic?...
I won't say there's no truth to it, but who is the author? Where are his links and references? Who are his sources?
Fake news is a real thing, and it's a two way street.
This is Russia's backyard. They won't just stand by. They are looking to influence and twist arms to get what is in Putins best interest. Until Putin shows us pictures and a measuring tape, I will also doubt his endowment.
Ah I thought we were staying conventional (someone had qualified this earlier in the thread); sure all bets are off when someone decides to go nuclear. I don't believe China has a nuclear cruise missile though no matter what they say.
They couldn't even get multistage delivery systems to work without Bill Clinton letting them have US stem bolt tech.
Yes, but we spend 20% of our budget on Defense, so good luck with China making our tech obsolete by their tech. Name 5 tech inventions China has invented in the last decade off the top of your head (i.e. no google). That's why I still say their only play is to dumb down the warfare by affecting satellites and the such / and use of hacking.
Germans are quite the innovators though. The Brits invented the tank, then instead of ramping up and using it wholesale they used it willy nilly until the Germans decided it was a great idea and made better ones.
Yes, I think we all realize its possible to have oversights like "duh my enemy may just go through Belgium to get to me so maybe need a border there? c'est pa?"
Better example is the British innovation of a smaller, faster, ship which undid the Spanish armada (at the time THE power in Europe).
sometimes sober analysis results in confidence
Dont worry, we have the media to make sure we don't overdue any confidence in our military.
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That gets to the crux of his presupposition here. What is will continue to be. Russia will continue to be weak and we will continue to be strong. But the several millennia long history of empires tells a different tale.
It is understandable, humans have a hard time accepting that things will change; esp. things that have been that way more than a couple decades. But change is inevitable.
It was more than just an evolution in technology or a change in invasion routes; they implemented a revolutionary advance in tactics.
I just want to note that the word "history" has ancient roots (involving a root "hístōr") while the idea that it comes from "his" plus "story" is a feminist advertising slogan of very recent vintage.
For the actual etymology, see for example the word's entry at Wiktionary.
@Joleneakamama, I don't know if your remark about the "his story" idea was merely commentary but a lot of folk do seem to take the idea as fact.
For the actual etymology, see for example the word's entry at Wiktionary.
@Joleneakamama, I don't know if your remark about the "his story" idea was merely commentary but a lot of folk do seem to take the idea as fact.
I don't disagree that the US can go down one day; the pessimist inside me believes that in mere decades the left will likely dominate as they have in much of Europe (despite correction of late). I don't like US - empire comparisons though; The United States is not an empire in the classical sense; many attempts to compare to Rome, Greece, etc. are false analogies. For one we don't openly exploit our lacky nations; they are in it for themselves because it's beneficial for them to be on our side not because we will obliterate their cities if they don't do what we say. Yes yes change is coming, a century down the road, maybe we'll make it 1500 years like Rome did; I kind of think we'll get more than just 1+ century of being on top (so far) as we continue to be the world's leading innovators bar none.
Regarding Germany:
Yeah, the silly French didn't foresee that evil that devises to invade the innocent neutral bystander that is Belgium; hard to project what's not inside of oneself.
Regarding Russia:
I lived in Moscow before, I'm fluent in their language, know their culture, and the only way those guys are catching up with us is by emulating us, badly... I still remember how coming up from the subway there would be like 10 massive doors and they'd all be locked while everyone single filed out one door waiting in line to exit... I remember how the FBI was laughing at these guys on the news in recent times how they still used 1950s espionage techniques like burying money in the ground for agents. I remember getting yelled at by grocery store attendants because I wanted that loaf of bread instead of the one they were offering me. This is all post perestroika & communism.
Speaking of tactics, the Russians have always had way too much oversight in all of their operations; commanders on the ground are not trusted the way Americans trust our lower level officers & sgt.s, hardly a "move like water" ala Art of War approach. Yes they are formidable as they always were but dang they can't even make drones; they have to buy them from the Israelis.
come on... you can't make a remote control plane guy?
I think in any kind of conventional situation we would absolutely own these guys and in the few engagements we've had, we have. Combine all of these things with the historical tendency to devour their own population... all the "land of the North stuff" ignores the biblical language... ṣapon (North), is the name of a mountain in the Canaanite area known as Bathan meaning "serpent". So, it doesn't have to be Russia even according to end times prophecy. (I'm well aware of the popular prophecy positions set forth by big-shot preachers and I'm not saying it's not possible).
Yeah, we'll go down but I think instead of comparing to empires lost we should instead compare to the biblical kingdom of Israel. As long as we have large numbers of people fearing heaven, then Hashem will continue to send us great minds, patriotic soldiers, and confusion for our enemies. When the scales of our wickedness surpass some heavenly known level; that's when we'll fall. OK, if that's the point we make instead of tech, I've just convinced myself it could be sooner rather than later so really we should be praying for revival then nobody will be able to touch us for the L-rd will be our shield and strength.
I hope none of my words come off as offensive, I enjoy the discussion and don't have many people here where I can have these kinds of discussions (those I know are always too busy).
this is all just my 20 rubles
Um, tell that to Saddam Hussein. Our ways may be different, but we are an empire. But the thing about the rise and fall isn't a characteristic of particular sorts of empires; it is a characteristics of social systems. Organizations. Even organisms themselves. All go through a cycle of birth, growth, maturity, decline and fall.
It may be that Russia can't militarily take the US head on, I don't know. But neither do they have to. We didn't defeat the Soviet Union by blunt force either. The American colonies were militarily outmatched as well but still won. There is more in the balance than just pure military might.
Wow, you took my assessment of the current tactical situation and turned it into an ironclad prediction that will hold sway for all time? That's impressive. I have to admit that I had humbler intent.
Look, Henry Kissinger, in his seminal work Diplomacy talks about how nations don't change course without some kind of major disruption, a game changer. Russia has not had a game changer in a very long time. The history is not there for them to make a sudden leap in technology of decades. They have not demonstrated innovation or technical excellence at all, ever, certainly not since Sputnik.
There is zero evidence any of these weapons exist or are capable of being built and no backdrop of other weapons development to suggest they could. The history isn't there.
Russia is in a freefall. Their population is aging and static, their economy is not good, they are dependent on oil and have made a big bet that global warming is going to open the artic to exploration and exploitation. They're a mess and pose no threat to the United States or our allies.
We do know that one day they will. And that could happen very quickly if God so chooses. I personally believe it will be after the cross over to a Muslim majority country sometime in the next 100 years.
I don't think you knew my presuppositions as much as you thought you did.
America will eventually fade away like all living organisms. I just don't see it happening that soon. I'd say we are very fit, middle aged men (40-50) on an 80 year life span. Many fit men at this age can still outrun, out lift, and out swim plenty of out of shape younger dudes. The time is short, though, but the demise is just a bit exaggerated at this point.
Russia is like your fat uncle Tony who used to run track and play football. He talks a great game, but it's all in his mind now.
China is like your teenage son. He lifts the weights and drinks all the protein shakes, but he doesn't have dad strength yet.