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Cochin Hebrew Manuscripts crushing false doctrines!

what I’m observing in many parts of this forum is an overemphasis on legality and an under emphasis on expediency and charity.
What you are observing is a group of people doing what you encouraged all of us to do…searching the scriptures.

Verses are found. They are read. They are taken at strict face value. That might seem legalistic, but it’s actually just basic hermeneutics.

If you’re looking for charity, I suggest you reread I Corinthians 13:2. You may have more knowledge than others, but a little more humility and charity is in order.

Dial it back a notch, brother.
 
I like these examples. I think they’re good evidence. If we are being 100% honest, they are implicit, not explicit commands for polygyny. I’m not sure these are a slam dunk, but they can be deduced to at least allowing the possibility of polygyny since no qualifiers come before.
Yes, they are in proof category for polygyny.

Otherwise, Lord would have added not already married qualifier.
 
What you are observing is a group of people doing what you encouraged all of us to do…searching the scriptures.

Verses are found. They are read. They are taken at strict face value. That might seem legalistic, but it’s actually just basic hermeneutics.

If you’re looking for charity, I suggest you reread I Corinthians 13:2. You may have more knowledge than others, but a little more humility and charity is in order.

Dial it back a notch, brother.

This whole thread is based on someone doing translational work for a fairly modern manuscript. They ain’t searching the Scriptures. They’re squinting at scraps.

The verses taken at strict face value? Maybe the pro-polygyny ones? Definitely not the Sermon on the Mount or the Epistles. Definitely not Acts 15. Poor @MemeFan had to dig thru a month’s worth of post history just to find a spot where he cited a Scripture, let alone exegetically expounded it. When he found it he got so excited to prove me wrong he even quoted it twice! Charity meant praising God that at least he found something. But this dude is doubling down on giving counsel contrary to Scripture and I won’t stand for it.

Bring all the moderation and ad hominem to bear you can muster, I love the Lord enough to take a stand for His Word.

I’m all for humility and charity, but I’m not going to seek to please men and affirm their silly hobbies and opinions, particularly when they can be so disastrous to the life of the saints.
 
This whole thread is based on someone doing translational work for a fairly modern manuscript. They ain’t searching the Scriptures. They’re squinting at scraps.

Then argue why you disagree with the manuscript’s validity, not the credentials of the person promoting them.

The verses taken at strict face value? Maybe the pro-polygyny ones?

Yes, that’s the purpose of this forum.
Definitely not the Sermon on the Mount or the Epistles. Definitely not Acts 15.

Those are not necessarily directly related to polygyny. But, people are allowed to have different takes. Yours is not the only one.

Bring all the moderation and ad hominem to bear you can muster, I love the Lord enough to take a stand for His Word.
Good, now use that word to edify and instruct rather than destruct others around you. Charity.

I’m all for humility and charity, but I’m not going to seek to please men and affirm their silly hobbies and opinions, particularly when they can be so disastrous to the life of the saints.
Then affirm your charity by not calling others’ musings, interests and opinions silly. Prove them silly by way of humble teaching and exposition, not by personal proclamation.

Dial it back brother. Reset. Tell us why these manuscripts are not valid. What is your research on them? What has it informed you? What should we all be wary of?
 
Then argue why you disagree with the manuscript’s validity, not the credentials of the person promoting them.



Yes, that’s the purpose of this forum.


Those are not necessarily directly related to polygyny. But, people are allowed to have different takes. Yours is not the only one.


Good, now use that word to edify and instruct rather than destruct others around you. Charity.


Then affirm your charity by not calling others’ musings, interests and opinions silly. Prove them silly by way of humble teaching and exposition, not by personal proclamation.

Dial it back brother. Reset. Tell us why these manuscripts are not valid. What is your research on them? What has it informed you? What should we all be wary of?

Charity isn’t letting a novice teach who just came out of a cult. I’m sorry, but I won’t be persuaded otherwise. Here I stand, Brother, and can go no further.

Of course I’ll continue to reflect on and pray about everything else you’ve shared. Appreciate it!
 
Charity isn’t letting a novice teach who just came out of a cult. I’m sorry, but I won’t be persuaded otherwise. Here I stand, Brother, and can go no further.

Of course I’ll continue to reflect on and pray about everything else you’ve shared. Appreciate it!
So now it’s a pissing contest of whose credentials are greater? You’ve been a part of this forum since…this month? Prove yourself first before dismissing others.

Your whole argument up to this point is calling someone a novice without addressing the topic in detail, only that you’re imminently qualified to call another man a novice.

Address the topic from here on out and counsel this man you consider a novice and beneath you in private.
 
Charity isn’t letting a novice teach who just came out of a cult. I’m sorry, but I won’t be persuaded otherwise. Here I stand, Brother, and can go no further.

Of course I’ll continue to reflect on and pray about everything else you’ve shared. Appreciate it!
Little buddy, you got way too much time on your hands. @FeministVampireQueen also, why is an Ashtoreth worshiper on this forum? Does nobody moderate this nonsense? Is this really a biblical forum?
 
I consider you bad faith actor here.

My first impression of you being very warm person. Sadly, I have had very negative experience with one such person, so my starting bias is being careful.

No matter, time for evidence.

For all your talk about Levirate marriage, it isn’t happening on BibFam. My point stands. In no particular order, replying to some other things you’ve written here:

Change of topic. I corrected your misinformation and got no thanks. Just pretending it never happened.

3. You seem to be wholly incapable of being a Berean. Thinking for ourselves and being unwilling to hear reproof or allow His Word to critique our thinking by His Spirit is what’s forbidden.

Reminds me of commies where, according to them, I lack sufficient class consciousness to be
Enlightened and see their truth how I'm really oppressed.

Also implies anyone who reads Bible correctly must agree with him. Probably totally.

4. Our Lord displayed great humility, love and self-denial. Start digging through that post history and your own heart. Be about cultivating the fruits of the spirit. If you are really following Christ, people should be able to see it.

Oh, first diagnosis of my spiritual disease. I even got my free "medicine" (digging post history and heart).

Self proclaimed doctor does nothing to establish credibility, competence, who trained him. He just does proclamation.

Is that behaviour of real doctor? Where is investigation?

5. Please for the sake of your own soul get some sound, biblical hermeneutics that account for the providential preservation of Holy Scripture, and the perspecuity of God’s Word. God has spoken in these last days through the person and work of His Son Jesus Christ, who had much to say to His disciples, though they could not bear it then. The Holy Spirit moved upon men like Paul to hand us down something far more than a book of uninspired suggestions.

Implies I'm untaught person who doesn't know Scripture.

Regarding your reckless disregard for other weaker brethren, it's anti-Christian, anti-Biblical and demonic. 1 Corinthians 8:9 says "But take heed lest by any means this liberty of yours become a stumblingblock to them that are weak." When you write something contrary to this guidance, it's contrary to the Holy Spirit which revealed it to the Apostle and preserved it for us today.

And weaker brethen can grow up. Man, from when is advantage for group to keep some members weak? It's total nonsense.

Beside, I have gotten more wise with regarding to manipulation methods. Calling others ableist, sexists, rasists etc... is shaming method in order to make sayer socially irrelevant and/or control sayer's behaviour.

Same trick can be used by claiming being offended.

Example:


My message to you and such people: Be offended.

Also, by calling me demonic he is trying to make observers to discard my arguments and points because I'm vey very very naughty naughty person.

Everything about your responses just reeks of “Get Off My Lawn” with extra steps and it’s disgusting. It’s worldly, it’s unloving, it’s unscriptural, it’s thoroughly American (so much as we have rebels for forefathers).

Me American. Thanks on compliment.

Anyway, did I invite you to preach to me? So you behave as unwanted person and them you claim I'm problem.

Calls my behaviour disgusting. What a

There’s no question that you love yourself and no one’s going to tell you what to do. But what about loving your neighbor? What about loving God to the detriment of pursuing your own selfish desires? What about living a life of consecration and self-denial?

This one is good. I admit it took me some time to to figure this out.

Oh yes, defending my interests and sharing my conclusions and opinions is not being enough loving. Best is too shut up while master corrects all my biblical misunderstanding.

And I have to deny myself for benefit of others. So cooperation is evil and sacrifice for others is gloriously good.

I thought we are supposed to deny our sin nature.

As someone who seems to esteem the Torah, you ought to highly esteem the Books of the New Testament written to those who esteemed it also, such as the Book of Hebrews and Book of James.

Tells me which biblical good I should appreciate.

Spiritual doctor doing diagnosis on few symptoms. Didn't ask about my prayer life and fastings.

I’ve tried to warn you many times about using your own worldly wisdom to instruct others.

Calls me naughty because I insist on pursing all truth no matter the source.

I should only be capable of qouting Bible.

In practice, his advice is like taking pill which lowers IQ.

My hands are free from your blood on the Last Day.

Person I have never meet and barely know is more concerned about my spiritual fate than my parents.

Doesn't this seems strange? Why is he so concerned? Blood f..k, I have never meet somebody so concerned.

But I promise you that you’re going to go from being a mighty keyboard warrior to a tiny little mouse when that day comes and the Holy One whose eyes are like a flame of fire become fixed upon you.

Stupid people threathen by saying: I will kill you.

Smarter people threathen by saying: It would be shame if something happen to you. See threat by implication.

Now he implies I'm heretic whom Holy Spirit will spank. Threat implied.

You see, when someone tries to persuade, he/she try to speak how something is good for you. Watch any ad if you need proof.

Besides, I have nothing to fear. I have special deal with Lord regarding Holy Spirit work.

I will testify on that day that what I wrote here, especially to you, was done in love, with the desire to build others up in the one, true and most holy faith. Without love we are nothing. Without holiness no one shall see the Lord.

He will witness against me and how he was so pure. Another implied threat that without guidance (naturally his, off course, but he doesn't that in this paragraf), I will be doomed to Hell.

By all means, mock and scoff. I'm in good company (Luke 6:26; Galatians 1:10) and serve a God whose reward is with Him (Mark 10:30). But don’t be surprised if you’re having the offals of your sacrifices rubbed in your faces.

Another implied threat. This times Lord will hurt my face.

When you make your god your belly, you reap what you sow.

Another implied threat. He also proclaim my god is my belly. He already decided I'm fake Christian.

Yeshua in His great mercy sent someone to this echo chamber to warn you. Ignore it at your own peril.

He proclaims himself messanger. And what is his proof he is send by Lord? Satan can send messenger too.

Besides, I believe in universal salvation which means Lord will save all no matter how much and how many times individual fu..s it up. So this doesn't work on me. At worst, I will be very very very slow learner.

But believer in Hell can be threathed with Hell. Nobody wants to go that scary place, so better to obey to avoid "bad fate". Pure manipulation.

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I probably spend too much time doing this. I could probably find more "stuff", but I doubt it will help.

OBSERVED BEHAVIOUR: Literally nothing written was written for my benefit. Person who is trying to persuade you will speak of benefits, evidence for proposed actions, try to take your concerns into account.

Social manipulators will "speak from above" (it gives them socially dominant position). Expect preaching.

What kind of friend sends you message where he lists all your "defects"?

VERDICT: Social manipulator and Class A energy vampire.

ACTIONS TO TAKE: Permaban for my lawn. If he continues, use forum block function.

Now I have excuse to post my new source of spiritual growth:


Topic is how libertarians should deal with social manipulator.

I consider it good source since both libertarians and polygyny loving Christian have same problem: being right, having ethics and all evidence om their side....and ending as powerless shamed people.

That's because truth isn't enough. Social manipulators too have to beaten.

I'm certain many here, after crushing false arguments with Bible, have found themselves on receiving end of shaming and "you are really bad person" tactics. Such assholes should be socially crashed.
 
Little buddy, you got way too much time on your hands. @FeministVampireQueen also, why is an Ashtoreth worshiper on this forum? Does nobody moderate this nonsense? Is this really a biblical forum?
Brother, same encouragement applies here as was made to a different poster. No need to get personal and heated right out the gate or make judgments on folks without getting to know us all a bit first. Let’s post and get familiar. You’ll have plenty of fun.
 
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