Some Einstein sh..tuff, science discussion

[MeganC]

The error is in RSR. I shall let them know, so they can adjust it.

This error of theirs is recurrent and one would expect that they've checked and double checked it. I will be surprised if they adjust the number for you even though doing so helps their argument a little. People who are dogmatically invested into something rarely adjust their views.

I reject your premise that no shoreline permanently etched means that there was no lake

Like I said, show me one example of a similar lake existing anywhere else and without any evidence of a shoreline or bleaching and I will concede this point. Just one.

But to make a theory hinge on the idea that this one body of water defies the observable and reproducible behavior of every other similar body of water past and present is rather unique.

 

[FollowingHim]

People who are dogmatically invested into something rarely adjust their views.

Absolutely true, @MeganC knows what she's talking about here!

 

[MeganC]

Absolutely true, @MeganC knows what she's talking about here!

I do. I am unflinchingly convicted of the existence of God and of His presence in my life.

I also cannot escape my conviction that God created the universe and that He caused us to exist.

My conviction is then not conditioned on any particular view of creation past a rational understanding of it as our limited minds might perceive it. That rational understanding is then subject to change as new evidence is revealed or as old evidence is discounted.

Either way my conviction of the existence of God and of His presence in my life is not shaken.

I allow for God to reveal His mysteries in His time and not mine.

I am also humble enough not to insist that God must fit into a box of my creation in order to be worthy of my respect.

As I have said before too many Christians insist on putting God into this box ☐ (actual size).

This is my God:

When I behold Your heavens,
the work of Your fingers,
the moon and the stars,
which You have set in place—
what is man that You are mindful of him,
or the son of man that You care for him?

I am convinced that God created an infinitely immense universe in which billions upon billions of light years of travel would barely be a start.
I believe that He created us to inherit that universe and one day humanity will spread out into it.

Is it not written: You made him (man) ruler of the works of Your hands

We are then intended to reach for the stars that He created for us to rule over.

I am convicted that God ordained each of us to exist at the very outset of creation. Each of us is inevitable.

He created a paradox of Free Will for our forebears whose freely chosen actions served a Holy Plan and caused each of us to be born.

I am convinced that He is present in my life and the lives of every single person whether they believe in Him or not.

I am convicted of our salvation through Jesus Christ who was and is the living Son of God.

I arrived at my conviction rationally. For me the existence of God is an inescapable fact.

My rationality also says that where there is no evidence of a lake then there was no lake. I am happy to consider evidence such as the potential existence of a lake somewhere that has no shoreline and whose waters have left no trace. But no such evidence exists, does it?

My rationality also informs me that an equal part of water is not going to cut an equal part of solid rock. Nope. No way.

The hydroplate theory of the sudden and catastrophic creation of the Grand Canyon is, upon examination, irrational.

Conversely I rationally believe the Ten Commandments were the literal Word of God written by Him. Lots of Jewish stonecutters would have seen the tablets and called BS on them were they created in a way that a human could have created them. Their supernatural provenance at the time had to have been obvious.

Ditto I believe that Moses parted the Red Sea because a bunch of people were witness to it.

There is enough testimonial evidence for the existence and acts of Jesus to make a court case.

I follow where the evidence leads me.

 

[FollowingHim]

My rationality also informs me that an equal part of water is not going to cut an equal part of solid rock. Nope. No way.

Yeah, and we all agree with you, yet you keep thinking you're arguing with someone by saying it over and over again. You seem very dogmatically invested into this typo!

 

[Daniel DeLuca]

This error of theirs is recurrent and one would expect that they've checked and double checked it. I will be surprised if they adjust the number for you even though doing so helps their argument a little. People who are dogmatically invested into something rarely adjust their views.



Like I said, show me one example of a similar lake existing anywhere else and without any evidence of a shoreline or bleaching and I will concede this point. Just one.

But to make a theory hinge on the idea that this one body of water defies the observable and reproducible behavior of every other similar body of water past and present is rather unique.

I highlighted a part that you missed ignored.

 

[Daniel DeLuca]

I am convinced that God created an infinitely immense universe in which billions upon billions of light years of travel would barely be a start.

Infinitely???

I believe that He created us to inherit that universe and one day humanity will spread out into it.

Do you believe Jesus is coming back? If so, why?

Is it not written: You made him (man) ruler of the works of Your hands

But that could have been miswritten, could it not?

We are then intended to reach for the stars that He created for us to rule over.

If we were to attempt to travel to the nearest star, and run out of fuel before we reach the halfway point, we would return and orbit the sun, and perhaps crash and burn into it or one of the planets. If we were to run out of fuel AFTER reaching the halfway mark, we would not be able to brake and direct our ship to a habitable planet, assuming such a planet exists in that stellar system.

I am convicted that God ordained each of us to exist at the very outset of creation. Each of us is inevitable.

He created a paradox of Free Will for our forebears whose freely chosen actions served a Holy Plan and caused each of us to be born.

That sounds a bit like Mormonism. Nowhere in Scripture does it state that we would not have been born if man had not sinned.

I am convinced that He is present in my life and the lives of every single person whether they believe in Him or not.

Dogmatically, it seems, because I have not seen one verse of Scripture that supports this. In contrast there is plenty in the epsitle to the Romans that runs counter to this. "Jacob I have loved. Esau, I have hated." It may make you feel good to believe this, but it is merely based on your own presuppositions.

I am convicted of our salvation through Jesus Christ who was and is the living Son of God.

Good. Salvation from what?

I arrived at my conviction rationally. For me the existence of God is an inescapable fact.

Good. The only question then is the nature of God.

My rationality also says that where there is no evidence of a lake then there was no lake. I am happy to consider evidence such as the potential existence of a lake somewhere that has no shoreline and whose waters have left no trace. But no such evidence exists, does it?

Conditions were much different at the Grand Lake. We also do not find existence of any other Grand canyons anywhere here on this planet either.

My rationality also informs me that an equal part of water is not going to cut an equal part of solid rock. Nope. No way.

That's a nice Straw man you tore down.

The hydroplate theory of the sudden and catastrophic creation of the Grand Canyon is, upon examination, irrational.

Obviously, only a cursory examination.

EDIT: I have not found one person, whether skeptic, young earther, or Old Earth Progressive Creationist, who has been able to argue successfully against it, without misrepresenting it, as you have done.

Conversely I rationally believe the Ten Commandments were the literal Word of God written by Him. Lots of Jewish stonecutters would have seen the tablets and called BS on them were they created in a way that a human could have created them. Their supernatural provenance at the time had to have been obvious.

Ditto I believe that Moses parted the Red Sea because a bunch of people were witness to it.

There is enough testimonial evidence for the existence and acts of Jesus to make a court case.

I follow where the evidence leads me.

What about the writings of the apostles? Do you believe Jesus is coming back, or that they might have been mistaken as well? Do you believe that our hope is not in this life, but in the life to come, or do you think differently?

 

[Daniel DeLuca]

This error of theirs is recurrent and one would expect that they've checked and double checked it. I will be surprised if they adjust the number for you even though doing so helps their argument a little. People who are dogmatically invested into something rarely adjust their views.

I won't be. You mentioned Walt Brown's editions. When I first read his book online, I found numerous spelling and grammatical errors in that edition, that have been fixed. They would not have to adjust their views one bit, to fix the wording. On that edition note: Note that in the footnotes the dates of the articles that he cites on #25, #26, and #29, which are from the last decade. Obviously, those articles would not have made it into his earlier editions, since they had not been written yet! These articles only bolster support for HPT.

Like I said, show me one example of a similar lake existing anywhere else and without any evidence of a shoreline or bleaching and I will concede this point. Just one.

There was another one. A legend exists about a lake near India that drained out. The circumstances are quite similar. The Tibetan Plateau has been uplifted by the Himalayas. I have been searching to find this, because it was in his 6th edition that I read back in 2010. I will let you know what I find.

But to make a theory hinge on the idea that this one body of water defies the observable and reproducible behavior of every other similar body of water past and present is rather unique.

It could be reproducible, if we have the resources to make a model. I read about how at MIT, they have actually synthesized magma. A good model would have a very heavy block of concrete sliding to a halt, with enough force behind it to buckle and form something similar to the Rocky Mountains. The only problem is, we would have to wait for about 250 years, tilt it a bit, and constantly raise the water level. The new reservoir that was built in Ethopia has not has been filling up. I have not been able to confirm whether there is a shoreline at that lake or not.

 

[Daniel DeLuca]

This error of theirs is recurrent and one would expect that they've checked and double checked it. I will be surprised if they adjust the number for you even though doing so helps their argument a little. People who are dogmatically invested into something rarely adjust their views.

Oh lookie here! They already have accounted for the additional water! You just read a portion of it and missed ignored this part:

- A massive volume of groundwater adds to the catastrophic dam breach waters

 

[The Revolting Man]

I believe that He created us to inherit that universe and one day humanity will spread out into it.

I agree wholeheartedly with this statement, as long as we can keep the enemy from bringing an end to creation by forcing God’s hand to bring about the end times.

But God wants us to experience this universe He created. He made it for us and He made it to be eternal originally.